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0uTpLaYeD
03-28-2007, 07:43 PM
Difficult river decision?

No reads on villan

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PokerStars NL Hold'em Ring - 0.05/0.10 Blinds (5 handed)

Starting Stacks
Seat 1: UTG ($1)
Seat 2: CO ($6.55)
Seat 3: Button ($3.40)
Seat 4: Small blind ($12.05)
Seat 6: Big blind (Hero) ($10.70)

Preflop: Hero is Big blind with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls ($0.10), <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Small blind calls ($0.05), Hero checks

Flop: ($0.25) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Small blind checks, Hero checks, UTG checks

Turn: ($0.25) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Small blind checks, Hero checks, UTG checks

River: ($0.25) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Small blind bets ($0.20), Hero raises ($3.10), UTG all-in ($0.90), Small blind all-in ($11.95), Hero ?

goat_beard
03-28-2007, 07:50 PM
unless he misclicked you are beat :-\

0uTpLaYeD
03-28-2007, 07:52 PM
u don't think he could have AQ here or something?

juanepr
03-28-2007, 07:53 PM
With no reads, I call. You are shown trip Q's as often as a full house. If you had not overbet the pot, I could find a fold. I would have raised to at most $1.25 on the river.

Autocratic
03-28-2007, 07:54 PM
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u don't think he could have AQ here or something?

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Does he usually check it all the way to the river? You're almost definitely beat here.

0uTpLaYeD
03-28-2007, 07:56 PM
what would your decision be if I told you that villan was a 49/16/3

Autocratic
03-29-2007, 01:10 PM
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what would your decision be if I told you that villan was a 49/16/3

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You're still only beating one hand really, and his line for that hand is very weird.

disk189
03-29-2007, 02:12 PM
... i would call...am i a donk

RollTide77
03-29-2007, 02:24 PM
I'm raising PF and depending on my opponents I'm either checking flop and betting turn OR betting flop and checking turn for pot control. You have a SD and good overs if no one has a Q. As played on river I'd probably bet around $2 or so hoping to get a call. $3 seems extreme if he could have limped QT or something. I'd probably cringe and fold to the push.

DannyOcean_
03-29-2007, 02:26 PM
I'm really torn on this one, bc there is always the chance that a villain luckboxed his 22 or TT, in addition to the full house or trips. If villian was a 49/16/3 and I thought he was a maniac, I would call, but otherwise I am having a hard time calling this.

Autocratic
03-29-2007, 02:31 PM
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I'm really torn on this one, bc there is always the chance that a villain luckboxed his 22 or TT, in addition to the full house or trips. If villian was a 49/16/3 and I thought he was a maniac, I would call, but otherwise I am having a hard time calling this.

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A set would give him a boat here (unless I'm missing your point).

DannyOcean_
03-29-2007, 02:35 PM
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I'm really torn on this one, bc there is always the chance that a villain luckboxed his 22 or TT, in addition to the full house or trips. If villian was a 49/16/3 and I thought he was a maniac, I would call, but otherwise I am having a hard time calling this.

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A set would give him a boat here (unless I'm missing your point).

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The point is that a set is one of the hands that beats us, so that makes this harder imo. Esp since villian has awful stats and may be a maniac, I am inclined to call but there are a lot of hands that crush us. that was my point, sorry if it wasnt worded great.

Waingro
03-29-2007, 05:42 PM
This is a snap-call. I have seen any Q played like this so often.

finegrinder
03-29-2007, 06:37 PM
Villain has most likely made a boat with 22 or TT, given the action. I'd call a smaller bet but this is huge, with absolutely zero reads I'd fold, otherwise it's your call.

I play NL10 and I have in my "buddy list" folks who slowplay flopped trips to death, no matter the board texture.

Sean Fraley
03-29-2007, 10:11 PM
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This is a snap-call. I have seen any Q played like this so often.[ QUOTE ]


I agree. Now here is some food for thought:

1) Paired boards are less likely to have hit an opponent
2) This is an unraised pot and most players don't fight for an unraised pot.

I think that hero should have taken a stab at this pot when it was checked to him on the turn. If he had gotten called on the turn this river would be an easy fold decision, and if he had gotten raised the turn would have been a clear fold, but a lot of the time he would have pulled in a 25 cent pot.