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Avocado
03-27-2007, 11:12 PM
villain is a little lag, but not a donk. should i fold here everytime?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Stack sizes:
UTG: $23.20
UTG+1: $43.15
CO: $25
Hero: $29.15
SB: $27.90
BB: $26.25

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with K/images/graemlins/club.gif K/images/graemlins/spade.gif
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, CO folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $1.1</font>, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif 9/images/graemlins/club.gif ($2.55, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $2.55</font>, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif ($7.65, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $5</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises all-in $39.5</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero calls all-in $20.5</font>.
Uncalled bets: $14 returned to UTG+1.

River: 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif ($58.65, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $58.65)


Results:
Final pot: $58.65
<font color="#ffffff">Hero showed Kc Ks</font>
<font color="#ffffff">UTG+1 showed 3h 7h</font>

DannyOcean_
03-27-2007, 11:20 PM
Hmm... you are calling 20.5 to win a pot of around 58. You need to be good here 35% of the time in order to be about breakeven for the call.

If your read is that villian is not a donk, I think you have to fold, the only worse hand he might have is AQ or combo draw, and you arent a great huge favorite over the combo draw necessarily. Otherwise, 2pair, AA, sets and flooshes and JT all kill you right here.

And you should edit out the results, it only biases me to think that villian is indeed an uber donk.

Bonesy
03-27-2007, 11:33 PM
I fold here almost every time. Villain's line is super strong. The usual bluff line is donking the turn. I'm not saying the c/r is never a bluff or semibluff just that villain's line is usually what it appears to be.

halinc
03-27-2007, 11:45 PM
Huge check raise overbets when a flush draw hits, or often on a paired flop, tend to be good.

You have one pair on a coordinated flop. Unless you've seen him doing this on scare cards a number of times earlier in the session, fold.

KEW
03-27-2007, 11:52 PM
Balagua.....Fold this is nearly never a bluff and an overpair is nearly never to be good...If I held the Kh I may consider calling..The Qh was about the worse card in the deck as it completes BOTH SDs and FDs..

boycalledroy
03-28-2007, 12:18 AM
Yeah that line is a bingo bango flusho. A small one as well because he wants to kill the action on the turn. Another heart kills it for him. You can make their calls wrong by not paying off when they hit. A lot of the time I will give up value with 1 pair hands when the flush hits. I'm checking behind here almost always and calling a small river bet.

James00
03-28-2007, 12:53 AM
I dont play this high but its a fold