Please Evaluate My Play/Stats (Graph) (LONG)

[Learning]

Hello Guys,

I've been playing online for a month or so with an original deposit of $150 onto FTP. I decided to play at the lowest limits, 10NL, until I had become much better at the game. At first I had a horrible combination of bad play and horrible luck - leaving me nearly busto at $30. Since then, I've been reading books, the forums, watching Cardrunners videos, and playing a ton. My game has improved a TON and I rebuilt up to $250. Graph won't show the crash as I didn't have PT at the time.

However, In the past week and a half or so I've been hovering between 20 and 25 buyins without much change. I'll get a great burst of play that remains independent of my cards (i.e., I'm not winning only at showdowns with best cards), however after reaching the 25 BI mark it'll seemingly doomswitch me back down to about 18-20, where I'll rebuild again. I can't accept that this is bad luck alone.

So, I've decided to let you guys have a look at my info and see if you see anything that seems horribly wrong, along with posting a couple hands that may have been "poorly played". Lets start with PT!
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/6919/2ndhmptee2.jpg

And the graph:

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/9084/2ndhmarchpc4.jpg

It really seems like I'll win a big pot (30+ BB) and then just siphon my winnings away through calling 3xBB preflop raises with things like SC and other speculative hands. That may not be the main reason for worry though, seeing as those peaks and valleys are fairly steep.

Here's some example hands of what I've been loosing with. These are a couple of my largest net loss hands from PT. I'm also going to post the results since I've already told you that I lost in these! /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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Hand 1:
Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Hold'em Cash Game
$0.05/$0.10 Blinds
6 Players
Lego Poker Hand Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh/)

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> J/images/graemlins/spade.gif K/images/graemlins/heart.gif ($0.15, 6 Players)
Hero raises to $0.30, mikey miz folds, anderbot calls $0.30, slyman26 folds, xX NightWolf Xx folds, Mastro75 folds

<font color="black">Flop:</font> 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif K/images/graemlins/club.gif 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($0.75, 2 Players)
Hero bets $0.40, anderbot calls $0.40

<font color="black">Turn:</font> 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif ($1.55, 2 Players)
Hero bets $0.90, anderbot calls $0.90

<font color="black">River:</font> 3/images/graemlins/club.gif ($3.35, 2 Players)
Hero bets $2, anderbot raises all-in to $8.60, Hero calls $6.60

anderbot had A/images/graemlins/heart.gif 6/images/graemlins/club.gif (three of a kind, Sixes) and won (+$8.35)
Hero had J/images/graemlins/spade.gif K/images/graemlins/heart.gif (two pair, Kings and Sixes) and lost (-$10.20)

Pot Size: $20.55 ($2 Rake)

Here I had seen this guy go broke with A2o in a re-raised pot. I was expecting him to have a weak top pair.

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Hand 2:
Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Hold'em Cash Game
$0.05/$0.10 Blinds
6 Players
Lego Poker Hand Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh/)

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> T/images/graemlins/spade.gif K/images/graemlins/spade.gif ($0.15, 6 Players)
Hero calls $0.10, u-n-da-captin folds, catnip4 calls $0.10, herbpervis52 folds, psychicpower calls $0.05, Jenistotle checks

<font color="black">Flop:</font> 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif J/images/graemlins/spade.gif ($0.40, 4 Players)
psychicpower checks, Jenistotle checks, Hero bets $0.30, catnip4 folds, psychicpower calls $0.30, Jenistotle calls $0.30

<font color="black">Turn:</font> Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif ($1.30, 3 Players)
psychicpower checks, Jenistotle checks, Hero bets $0.50, psychicpower calls $0.50, Jenistotle calls $0.50

<font color="black">River:</font> T/images/graemlins/club.gif ($2.80, 3 Players)
psychicpower checks, Jenistotle checks, Hero bets $1.50, psychicpower raises to $4.60, Jenistotle folds, Hero raises all-in to $8.45, psychicpower calls $3.85

psychicpower had T/images/graemlins/heart.gif Q/images/graemlins/club.gif (a full house, Tens full of Queens) and won (+$8.40)
Hero had T/images/graemlins/spade.gif K/images/graemlins/spade.gif (three of a kind, Tens) and lost (-$9.35)

Pot Size: $19.70 ($1.95 Rake)

This may be a very poorly played hand by the river, but I was sure he either had two pair or Ace-Face (but not AK) here.

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Hand 3: This shows the kinds of plays I'm used to seeing from opponents, and may be related to why I make what seems like poor calls on the river.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Hold'em Cash Game
$0.05/$0.10 Blinds
6 Players
Lego Poker Hand Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh/)

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif J/images/graemlins/spade.gif ($0.15, 5 Players)
Number3223 raises to $0.50, I Mean Its Like folds, DrNo888 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, clownshoes4u folds, Number3223 calls $1

<font color="black">Flop:</font> 8/images/graemlins/club.gif 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif A/images/graemlins/club.gif ($3.10, 2 Players)
Hero bets $2, Number3223 calls $2

<font color="black">Turn:</font> J/images/graemlins/heart.gif ($7.10, 2 Players)
Hero bets $3, Number3223 raises to $7.60, Hero raises all-in to $13.10, Number3223 calls $5.50

<font color="black">River:</font> 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($33.30, 2 Players - 1 All-In)
No Action

Hero had J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif J/images/graemlins/spade.gif (a full house, Jacks full of Eights)) and won (+$15.70)
Hero (small blind) showed [Jd Js] and won mucked and won (+$0)
Number3223 had 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif A/images/graemlins/spade.gif (two pair, Aces and Eights) and lost (-$16.60)

Pot Size: $33.30 ($1 Rake)
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I also realize that the posted hands are pretty much cooler/nuts, and I'm not sure what I should be posting to get a better evaluation of myself.

So what do you guys think? What should I do to improve here? I'm certainly dedicated and would follow through with any suggestions here.

Thanks a ton for any help!

[goat_beard]

more preflop aggression ftw

[Waingro]

Actually the hands was fairly helpfull. The KJo and the KTs should preferably be folded from that position. I couldn´t really tell but wait till button/co to open with those kind of hands. Tighten up A LOT oop, loosen up on the button. Your attempt to steal blinds was fairly low, so I´m going to go with positional awarness as something to work on.

[qdmcg]

Fold hand one on river.
Call\fold river in hand 2. I'd call but I suck.


People don't C\R the river as a bluff, they have good hands generally. Also, not to be a dick, but none of these are really coolers. In hand one you get it all in on the river with TPGK, and in hand two you admittedly have trips but thats a nasty board. 3betting all in here is a leak IMO.

Also, you're still winning, don't fret. 10k hands isn't a huge sample

[Learning]

I'm not going to be offended in any way by just about anything constructive that people could say here. I realize that they may be weak plays because, at least for now, I am a mediocre player. Yeah, I'm still winning, but it's 10NL and 2PTBB/100 is pretty bad.

[goat_beard]

if u really wanna learn play mroe than 500 hands a day...the best way to learn is to expereince a lot of different situations IMO...u have 23 days graphed for 10k hands...make it like 1k-2k hands a day while posting confusing hands here and it will help you a lot...btw if you are looking for a person to talk to that is playing same level and looking to work way up PM me for AIM

[DannyOcean_]

24/12 is no good for me. You either need to raise more pf to get around 24/20, which is fine. Or you can tighten up and stop limping your limping hands and get to 15/12, which is nitty but still fine for NL10. Or you can do a little of both and get to 20/16. Either way, your PFR should be closer to your VPIP.

I like your agg. factor, way to not be passive. Just about everyone agrees having a pretty high AF is good.

One last thing would be that your VPI-from-SB seems high to me. You are oop, so you REALLY REALLY do not want to be playing marginal hands from out of position. POSITON. it's really important and stuff. Don't play those marginal type hands without it.

[Learning]

Most certainly!

PM Sent!

[Mal_Pais]

[ QUOTE ]
Actually the hands was fairly helpfull. The KJo and the KTs should preferably be folded from that position. I couldn´t really tell but wait till button/co to open with those kind of hands. Tighten up A LOT oop, loosen up on the button. Your attempt to steal blinds was fairly low, so I´m going to go with positional awarness as something to work on.

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[ QUOTE ]
24/12 is no good for me. You either need to raise more pf to get around 24/20, which is fine. Or you can tighten up and stop limping your limping hands and get to 15/12, which is nitty but still fine for NL10. Or you can do a little of both and get to 20/16. Either way, your PFR should be closer to your VPIP.

I like your agg. factor, way to not be passive. Just about everyone agrees having a pretty high AF is good.

One last thing would be that your VPI-from-SB seems high to me. You are oop, so you REALLY REALLY do not want to be playing marginal hands from out of position. POSITON. it's really important and stuff. Don't play those marginal type hands without it.

[/ QUOTE ]

... just about sums it up. Work on this, and watch your winrate increase.

[KEW]

From looking at stats only...To big of a spread between VP$IP and PFR...ATT To Steal Blinds is way to low(lower then your over all VP$IP)..It looks like you are defending your blinds far to much and completing from the SB too often..Take a look at your position stats and see how your VP$IP stats are..As a rough guideline you should be playing twice as many hands from LP as in EP...

Generic assumption from your hands..

-You do not seem positionally aware..Position is key to NL..
-It looks like you OVER VALUE TP..This can cost you big time..Know what hands want big pots a what hands want small pots...This leads into pot control and protection..
-Avoid trap hands..Hands like AT,KJ,QT and others...

I will say you appear to be MILES ahead of your avg beginner..You are WINNING!!! That is no small thing and do not sell it short...You also appear to be very open minded and willing to learn...You are going about learning in the right places..One thing I will caution you about is be carefull with Cardrunner advice at the micro stakes level..Do not get me wromg I love CRs just most of there advice is geared toward higher stakes games and more aware opponents...

[Mal_Pais]

Yeah, I'm impressed with OP's open-minded attitude and his posts. And I don't want to sit at a table against him, he's too aggressive. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Learning]

It's all in the name!

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[boycalledroy]

OP can you please post position stats dude /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Archon_Wing]

Holy crap, rake is killing you. Might move to UB or PS until you reach 25 NL. (Ft's 10 nl rake is higher)

[Learning]

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/2397/marchposmj5.jpg

Button is in the green ldo /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[boycalledroy]

You play too loose from SB, too loose from UTG and a bit too loose from UTG+1. You get in far too many bad situations because of this and spunk a lot of cash. You limp too much from the button. Raise the button more, chuck junk hands away like KJ/QJ etc from UTG/UTG+1/MP and if you have a fetish for playing hands there play less easily dominated hands such as 89s/78s. Better still don't play anything from these dodgy positions.

Concentrate on playing more hands from later pos. Trust meh! x

[Learning]

So basically tighten up and don't allow myself to catch cards in a bad spot. I'm getting the feeling that I should either raise or fold in most situations here. Avoid domination.

Ty for all the support/interest guys, it's helping a ton.

[Spanky1974]

Tighten up in EP. Steal more from LP. Play on PS as the rake looks like half of what you are paying (an extra $110 would look nice for your winrate). Your W$WSF is great. Try tightening up your requirements for calling raises. Calling raises with speculative or trap hands probably isn't something I would be worried about. Learn to extract value, learn pot control, and learn when each applies.

[Learning]

Removed Bad Beat Post.

Skill &gt; Luck.

I'm all ears.

[Suited_Queens]

/newb PT Question

How do I get that graph to display?

[James00]

you need to think beyond oppponents hand and start raising more preflop. Maybe get a coach?

[the machine]

TBH you cant really get a clear idea of your play in 10k hands. people have 10k break even stretches. you are up though which is the good thing. whatever you have done so far to make money is good. at 10NL id probably cut back on the number of hands you play. i remember when i played 25NL i was a nitjob, (and have been for teh past 6000 hands &gt;=( ) but it was profitable. the players were weak enough where i didnt have to be uber aggressive. def wasnt OPTIMAL, but playing my style and makin monies was fine even if i was nitty. i beat it for 5 PTBB/100 (def no brag there) playing like 17/7 for 25k hands.

i think you can either cut back on you VPIP or boost up your PFR. the only problem with playing a 22/20 game or so at 25NL or 10 NL is that many of the hands you will need to raise to be more stats driven like this wont get the respck, and people just dont fold at these limits. playing tight and getting value from you hands was my approach to it all.


(also for most of it i didnt have PT, and i didnt get PAHUD until i moved to 50NL so it was much tougher to exploit people, i also one tabled for most of it and did some 2 tabling because it was tough to keep track of how people were playing. i also played full ring when i was at those limits)


as for some of you hands

the first one id rather go for a c/c on the river. its hard to get 3 streets of value out of someone with TPNK unless hes really bad and you have a read that hes gonna pay you off. as for the block bet and he raises, this is the point we need to let go of the hand, again unless hes a spew monkey then you can pay it off.

hand 2 bet more on the turn. you have a monster draw with a par to boot. get as much in as you can there. also i dont push the river. just call his raise, no worse hand is calling u there.


hand 3 you can check this flop. its drawish with hte clubs and has an ace. if you bet and he calls do you really feel you have anyidea where you are in teh hand? as for hitting the boat yeah get it AI =)

[Spleen]

I haven't looked thru entire thread yet but at first glance I will say that, you are doing very well for just starting out. I'll dig deeper but if you tigthen up UTG then you will gain a bb/100 right off the top. Good luck and keep up the good attitude. If someone already said this , my bad.

[ben wb]

[ QUOTE ]
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/2397/marchposmj5.jpg

Button is in the green ldo /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[/ QUOTE ]You seem to be playing every non blind position the same, which isn't good, you need to be more positionally aware. I play twice as many hands on the button as UTG.

Hands like KJ and KT I fold every time UTG but I'll raise them even after a couple of limpers on the button, same with suited one gappers like T8s, suited aces, suited broadways, none of these are great hands in early position and you can just fold them but they're good hands to raise with in late position (CO and button).

You can see from your results that the button is by far the most profitable position so it makes sense to play more hands from that position whilst only playing premium hands (pairs, AK, AQ, AJ mainly) from early position

[Learning]

I had a very helpful 2+2er who may or may not wish to remain unnamed coach/sweat me last night for a couple hours. His advice greatly improved this major leak of mine.

Thank you sir. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Learning]

UPDATE:

So I took 2+2's suggestions, along with moving to a much fishier site (PokerStars), and while this is a small sample size.....

I'm very happy!


http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/9323/psmarchex9.jpg

These guys shove with TPNK. I'll be rolled for 50NL in like a week.

[seat_empty]

hehe don't get over-excited about 200 hands. winnings like that are rare, but yea it is nice when you're up 2 full buyins after 20 minutes.