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TheDivineRod
03-26-2007, 06:27 PM
Villan is somewhat solid, 25/16/2 over like 200 hands.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Hold'em Cash Game
$0.25/$0.50 Blinds
6 Players
Lego Poker Hand Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh/)

<font color="black">Stack Sizes</font>
SB: $48
BB: $45.05
UTG: $81.05
MP: $48.50
<font color="black">Hero (CO): $64</font>
BTN: $36.90

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($0.75, 6 Players)
UTG folds, MP calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, BTN folds, SB calls $0.25, BB checks

<font color="black">Flop:</font> 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif ($2, 4 Players)
SB checks, BB bets $2, MP folds, Hero raises to $5, SB folds, BB calls $3

<font color="black">Turn:</font> 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($12, 2 Players)
BB bets $11, Hero calls $11

<font color="black">River:</font> T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($34, 2 Players)
BB bets $10, Hero raises all-in to $47.50, BB calls all-in for $18.55
Uncalled bet of $18.95 returned to Hero

Pot Size: $91.10 ($3 Rake)

goat_beard
03-26-2007, 06:32 PM
fold preflop FTW as played raise the turn plz and c/c his river bet

Jouster777
03-26-2007, 06:40 PM
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fold preflop FTW as played raise the turn plz and c/c his river bet

[/ QUOTE ]HUH? c/c river?
Turn call is fine...you are gettting pot odds for it and a bdfd is hidden enuf with these stacks. River push is good.

boycalledroy
03-26-2007, 06:41 PM
If the last card was a 9 I could see some point in reraising the river, but at this stage only hands that call are hands that beat you.

kongs
03-26-2007, 07:00 PM
I think you played this fine...I think you see a set here quite a bit.

kayfish77
03-26-2007, 07:03 PM
what? we have the third nuts and theres no way the villian calls a 5 dollar raise on the flop with axd or kxd. why wouldnt we raise the river? this could very easily be 2 pair or a set or a flopped straight. calling here is spewing 18 dollars usually. villain gets 8:1 to call, what is he ever folding that he got to the river and led with? as mentioned before flop preflop.

Xanta
03-26-2007, 07:12 PM
Calling on this river is horrible, sets and straights and even 2 pairs call you because 'ZOMG no wai he went runner runner flush I call' The mere suggestion of it makes me think that you guys are missing boatloads of value when you make draws.

Preflop does nothing for me and your flop raise sucks pretty hard too IMO. You only have 6 clean outs so your draw isn't worth pursuing for pot equity alone, and the size of your raise makes it so that BB will never ever fold, so it's not even a semibluff. Also if he has a made hand and not a draw good players are 3towning you all day long on such a wet flop. Nothing wrong with calling the 1/2 pot bet, hoping SB comes along and getting paid if you hit one of your 6 good outs.

BevillTheDevil
03-26-2007, 07:15 PM
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If the last card was a 9 I could see some point in reraising the river, but at this stage only hands that call are hands that beat you.

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what?? so you advocate just callin the river??

pf id probably either raise or fold...as played flop is ok depends on if you think you have FE against this villian which you probably do since he is solid. A call or fold on turn seems about even to me. Your odds are about even to make an argument either way, a call is def ok tho since it looks as tho villian likes his hand and we are probably stackin if we hit...river standard.

Big Bend
03-26-2007, 09:02 PM
I think you should have raised preflop, since you have position on the original limper who showed weakness. Then mandatory c-bet/raise with that flop. On the turn I probably push with the combo draw and whatever fold equity I might have. I definitely like the river push with your backdoor flush. Nice hand...

BB

Machavelli
03-26-2007, 09:08 PM
If this is an example of you mixing up your game and getting really lucky then I love it (more so if you typed ship it in the chat box after). If this is a normal play for you then its spew.

In general calling a bet with a OESD on a non rainbow board with 2 villains behind to act is sort of spewish. You're likely drawing to 6 clean outs. You bluffed the flop and got a nice pick up on the turn, should be try and grab some FE and shove here? Just a thought.

Xanta
03-26-2007, 09:36 PM
The flop raise never ever has FE, it's practically a minraise!

If villain is drawing, he is calling 3 to win 9 in the pot. Pretty much no matter what draw he has he aint folding here.
If villain has a made hand, he's 3betting you all the time which you obviously can't call. That raise sucks.

Spechel EDD
03-26-2007, 09:40 PM
congrats you just coolered someones straight

tarheeljks
03-26-2007, 10:01 PM
i'm w/machiavelli. i love this if you are just mixing it up.

Waingro
03-26-2007, 11:48 PM
I think you got very very lucky. I donīt like any street except for the river, but the flop is the worst by far.

goat_beard
03-27-2007, 12:05 AM
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

21 games 0.094 secs 223 games/sec

Board: 8d 5h 2d Td 6d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 85.714% 85.71% 00.00% 18 0.00 { Qd7d }
Hand 1: 14.286% 14.29% 00.00% 3 0.00 { 88-55, Ad2d, 97s, 74s, Ad2c, Ad2h, Ad2s, Ah2d, As2d }


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take back earlier statement and am raising river here as well. good play, bad luck if it turns out bad

TheDivineRod
03-27-2007, 12:11 AM
He ended up having 56s for bottom 2 pair on the flop. I raised flop because it was a poor draw and a solid player will prob release a marginal hand to a raise.

Big Poppa Smurf
03-27-2007, 12:16 AM
I've been raising/shoving the turn alot and so far it's been working great. He's probably not folding the turn here though based on his donk/call, donk line.

Xanta
03-27-2007, 12:19 AM
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He ended up having 56s for bottom 2 pair on the flop. I raised flop because it was a poor draw and a solid player will prob release a marginal hand to a raise.

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A solid player is not leading into 3 people OOP on a flop like this with a marginal holding that he's willing to fold for $3 more.

Jouster777
03-27-2007, 12:29 AM
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Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

21 games 0.094 secs 223 games/sec

Board: 8d 5h 2d Td 6d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 85.714% 85.71% 00.00% 18 0.00 { Qd7d }
Hand 1: 14.286% 14.29% 00.00% 3 0.00 { 88-55, Ad2d, 97s, 74s, Ad2c, Ad2h, Ad2s, Ah2d, As2d }


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take back earlier statement and am raising river here as well. good play, bad luck if it turns out bad

[/ QUOTE ]LOL...your original statement made no sense at all...because you misread the board.

There are only 3 diamonds out there.