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tw0please
03-26-2007, 05:22 PM
Unknown villain. Turn call ok? Also looking for comments on river bet size. Thanks.

Ultimate Bet
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10./$0.25.
5 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Stack sizes:
UTG: $24.38
CO: $32.72
Hero: $26.86
SB: $24.74
BB: $4.91

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to $0.85</font>, Hero calls, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: 9/images/graemlins/club.gif 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif ($2.65, 3 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets $2.65</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $7</font>, BB folds, CO calls.

Turn: 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif ($16.65, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">CO bets $2.5</font>, Hero calls.

River: K/images/graemlins/club.gif ($21.65, 2 players)
CO checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $8</font>

juanepr
03-26-2007, 05:31 PM
I don't see any hands that call this bet which you beat (maybe K9). Villian has played this hand like he's drawing, and all draws whiffed. The problem I have here is that you are pot comitted with this bet (or any other reasonably sized bet) and you can't get away from a raise.

Waingro
03-26-2007, 05:37 PM
You played this hand all backwards. You put in a lot of money ($7.85) pf + on the flop with very little and then, on the turn and river when you in all likelyhood have the best hand, you put in $10.5. These numbers seem off by a lot. Maybe you had your reasons for pf and flop, but you must raise the turn and then push river.

tw0please
03-26-2007, 05:42 PM
Juanepr,

What drawing hands could he possibly have?

juanepr
03-26-2007, 05:43 PM
I agree with Lucky. The turn is a raise, IMO.

juanepr
03-26-2007, 05:45 PM
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Juanepr,

What drawing hands could he possibly have?

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Any 7 or 8.

Edit: the point is if he is NOT drawing, he has you beat almost every time.

tw0please
03-26-2007, 05:51 PM
Lucky Jim,

I can see the argument for raising turn, however I can't think of a reasonable amount that doesn't leave an awkward amount of money left on the river. Raising the turn to $9 bloats the pot to $34 with $8 of effective stacks behind.

boycalledroy
03-26-2007, 05:53 PM
Get it allin on the turn? It is unlikely the 6 helped his hand, if he is still drawing he can call, on the river you have either won or lost and I can't see him calling with a hand you beat.

tw0please
03-26-2007, 05:56 PM
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Juanepr,

What drawing hands could he possibly have?

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Any 7 or 8.

Edit: the point is if he is NOT drawing, he has you beat almost every time.

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77, 88, and TT-QQ are also in his range by the river, and might call a river bet.

tw0please
03-26-2007, 06:00 PM
Shoving seems excessive given that I still think the majority of his range is 9x and overpairs, I am not convinced that the average unknown calls with a gutter like T8 on the flop, and even if he did, why not let him bluff the river by feigning weakness by calling on the turn?

Tawbor
03-26-2007, 06:07 PM
Shove turn, villain bet/called on flop, let him do it again.

juanepr
03-26-2007, 06:12 PM
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77, 88, and TT-QQ are also in his range by the river, and might call a river bet.

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Maybe QQ-TT... doubt he calls 77 or 88 (which of course means he did call your river bet with 77). Still that seems to me like a pretty narrow range for a value bet on the river.

goat_beard
03-26-2007, 06:15 PM
im folding that flop...as played im raising turn and cbetting river

sixsixtie
03-26-2007, 06:18 PM
Either fold or just call the flop and raise the turn