NL10 - scary river

[cyberfish]

Didn't have a read on CO.
Table was kinda loose.

Pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em
6-handed cash-game
10NL (0.05/0.1)

Hero ($10.00)
UTG ($10.20)
MP ($5.6)
CO ($6.9)
SB ($3.5)
BB ($7.75)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls $0.1, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls $0.1, <font color="#CC3333">Hero calls $0.1</font>, SB calls 0.05, BB checks.

Flop: ($0.5) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 10/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG chekcks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $0.3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises $0.9</font>, <font color="#666666">3 fold</font>, CO calls $0.6.

Turn: ($2.3) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
CO checks, Hero checks.

River: ($2.3) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">CO bets $1.3</font>, Hero calls $1.3.

Final Pot: $4.9

Any thoughts on any streets?

[davidyang]

Raise or fold preflop.

Why are you raising this flop?

I'd bet tempted to raise the river, but I don't think a call is too bad.

[Skleice]

he only called preflop.

[bozzer]

ugly.

raising is a possibility on the flop as a bluff because you suspect a flush draw (which is likely IMO), but you must raise much more to deny correct odds otherwise you are just building the pot with K high. (personally 3-way i'd take the nice 3-8 odds in position and see the turn.)

raise 0.3x3+0.5 = a pot-sized raise offering 2-1 (i think, not great at this)

deffo just call river. he's screaming flush.

pre-flop is interesting. i think you should really raise or fold here as KJo doesn't play great 3-4 way.

[Doug Funnie II]

F the haters. I like the preflop limp as long as you're experienced enough at these stakes to make good reads and your opponents are mostly passive. People preach playing 18/15 or 19/16 but you can still have a really sick winrate playing 25/13. I also don't raise the flop unless CO is bad and likely to fold. If the table is loose you don't really mind playing against extra opponents with a nut draw like this one, as long as you don't get too excited if you spike a king.

[davidyang]

Why do you think people tell beginners to play that way in the first place? There must be a reason for it, no? Most players at NL10 are not good enough to be playing the style you suggest. Also, most that do play like that and move up will get slaughtered playing that kind of style. Raising this hand preflop makes the rest of the hand much easier.

[AliasMrJones]

Raise preflop. The dynamic of the rest of the hand is different after that.

As played, I'll raise with a draw occaisionally, but here with so many players on the flop, you're probably not gaining much here as flush draws will likely call as will Q's. Without fold equity, I think you're better off just calling the flop bet and try to entice others to call and build the pot for a non-heart nut broadway. On the river, I can't come up with a flush draw that's very probable, but at these stakes who knows so I like the call.

[bozzer]

i like a 25/19 style, but this is not a hand to limp along with. it's possibly a -EV move: think about all the times you have to limp and fold on the flop, and all the tiny pots you win when you do hit. raising is fine here IMO, but given the choice between calling or folding, i probably just fold.

[cyberfish]

Assume I did raise preflop and got one caller (CO)
Flop:
A) CO bets 2/3 pot -&gt; hero?
B) CO checks -&gt; hero?

[Quester]

I think the play is fine, but checking the turn is no good. Toss in a 3/4 pot semibluff on the turn and I'd like it.

[bozzer]

depends on the flop but mostly
a) fold
b) bet

yes it is exploitable, but no-one exploits it at $10.

[cyberfish]

I'd keep the flop as posted.

[AliasMrJones]

[ QUOTE ]
Assume I did raise preflop and got one caller (CO)
Flop:
A) CO bets 2/3 pot -&gt; hero?
B) CO checks -&gt; hero?

[/ QUOTE ]

Did you forget you flopped an OE broadway draw? This is actually a pretty good flop for you.

A) Usually call
B) Usually bet

[tiger_hall]

i wud follow my bet up on the turn... i like to play draws like this soemtimes.. on the river looks like he trying to get value out of a Q....