Flopped idiot straight and minraise madness 50nl 6 max

[Debaser]

I usually play weekday mornings so I don't normally see this type of play. Pretty much everyone on the table was kinda loose-passive 40/8/1 types.

Should I be potting this flop or after it comes back to me try to get heads up with the short stack? Call and see what happens? Fold?

I don't really want to play a massive pot oop with a hand that can only get worse but folding seems soooooo weak...

Prima Poker skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Stack sizes:
UTG: $45.11
UTG+1: $44.31
CO: $12.13
Button: $84.00
SB: $51.32
Hero: $54.49

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with 6/images/graemlins/club.gif 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, Hero checks.

Flop: T/images/graemlins/heart.gif 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif 9/images/graemlins/club.gif ($3, 6 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $0.5</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises to $1</font>, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to $1.5</font>, 2 folds, Hero ????

[Jouster777]

You definitely rate to have the best hand at the moment. A C/R of PSB or slightly more should look plenty scary to all others and fold most others drawing to a higher straight. If you get called its an uncomfortable but still EV+ position. If someone pushes it should mean a set or a straight...and I'd probably fold but I'm not sure that's right.

[jkkkk]

wanna grow... up to be... be a debaser!

I would pot the flop, as played I would make it $6 then see what happens, if you fold here baby jesus cries.

[Machavelli]

Make a real raise. Put it to 7.5.

[Phytopath]

ummm, lead flop...are you looking for an excuse to fold?

This is an easy bet/3bet. As played you are alot less likely to get paid off since you let your idiot opponents get their cheap info.

But yeah definately raise the pot when it is back to you.

[Machavelli]

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If you get called its an uncomfortable but still EV+ position. If someone pushes it should mean a set or a straight...and I'd probably fold but I'm not sure that's right.

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I think at these levels you'll still get called by AT, 9T, 89. I don't think getting called means you're beat. At these levels I look at straight over straight just like set over set - its going to happen but Im still putting my money in. If I get raised here I'm getting it in.

Is that a leak?

[orange]

lead the flop the first time, dont fold here.

[Jouster777]

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If you get called its an uncomfortable but still EV+ position. If someone pushes it should mean a set or a straight...and I'd probably fold but I'm not sure that's right.

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I think at these levels you'll still get called by AT, 9T, 89. I don't think getting called means you're beat. At these levels I look at straight over straight just like set over set - its going to happen but Im still putting my money in. If I get raised here I'm getting it in.

Is that a leak?

[/ QUOTE ]I didn't mean getting called makes you think you are beaten...I meant its uncomfortable because of RIO and position but still EV+ to play out.

Calling a push on our checkraise I'm not sure. If we say there's no big OP's out there and there aren't any maniacs at the table then if we face a push it should be a set (9combos), a rare JJ (discounted combo=1), or a straight (32 higher straight combos and 9 equal straight combos). I don't like getting it in against that range.

Edit: miscounted combos

[Machavelli]

I think this range is too short. At 25NL you don't think 9T, 89, T8, and even TJ could be capable of this?

[Jouster777]

I discounted those about 50% and got:
Board: Th 8s 9c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 35.126% 32.75% 02.38% 17183 1247.50 { 7h6c }
Hand 1: 64.874% 62.50% 02.38% 32792 1247.50 { JcJd, TT-88, QJs, JdTd, JsTs, J7s, Td9d, Ts9s, 9d8d, QJo, JcTd, JcTh, JcTs, JdTh, JdTs, JhTs, J7o, Tc9d, Tc9h, Tc9s, Td9h, Td9s, Th9s, 9c8d, 9c8h, 9c8s, 9d8h, 9d8s, 9h8s }