$25- KK cryptonite with Axx flop BUT with a nut flush draw on the turn

[K䲰䮥n]

Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 3: Rothmans77 ( $ 55.17 USD )
Seat 4: ivargjelsvik ( $ 7.89 USD )
Seat 6: stefan7900 ( $ 21.15 USD )
Seat 1: Hero ( $ 27.05 USD )
Seat 5: Fluke_man ( $ 31.44 USD )
Seat 2: ola3000 ( $ 24.45 USD )

stefan7900 posts small blind [$ 0.10 USD].
Hero posts big blind [$ 0.25 USD].

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ K/images/graemlins/club.gif K/images/graemlins/heart.gif ]
ola3000 folds
Rothmans77 folds
ivargjelsvik raises [$ 0.50 USD]
Fluke_man folds
stefan7900 calls [$ 0.40 USD]
Hero raises [$ 1.75 USD]
ivargjelsvik calls [$ 1.50 USD]
stefan7900 folds

** Dealing Flop ** [ 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif ]
Hero checks
ivargjelsvik checks

** Dealing Turn ** [ 6/images/graemlins/club.gif ]
Hero fires a barrel? Is so, why?

[noob_sauce]

hero fires a barrel on flop, because it is standard...

as played, hero fires barrel on turn because delayed cbets can be effective/he wants to make up for his flop mistake.

[Reliant444]

You have no reason to protect anything and you have awesome showdow value. You might get a call from 99-QQ, but save it for the river IMO. C/C turn if he bets, if he checks I value bet the river.

[Reliant444]

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hero fires a barrel on flop, because it is standard...

as played, hero fires barrel on turn because delayed cbets can be effective/he wants to make up for his flop mistake.

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lol at betting this flop

[K䲰䮥n]

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hero fires a barrel on flop, because it is standard...

as played, hero fires barrel on turn because delayed cbets can be effective/he wants to make up for his flop mistake.

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wow this forum seems noisy...

[noob_sauce]

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hero fires a barrel on flop, because it is standard...

as played, hero fires barrel on turn because delayed cbets can be effective/he wants to make up for his flop mistake.

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lol at betting this flop

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lol, yeah I suck... (edit: no I don't, I stick with my cbet line until I receive a convincing argument otherwise... check=weak sauce)

HU i follow my pf aggression up with cbets 99% of the time... I don't see anything wrong with a cbet here. granted we are wa/wb here, but I personally don't mind taking it down here with a mid sized bet/tossing in the towel if we get action on the bet and don't get a club...

please let me know if/how my thinking is off here.

[Reliant444]

you allow villain to play optimally...that is what is wrong

[noob_sauce]

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hero fires a barrel on flop, because it is standard...

as played, hero fires barrel on turn because delayed cbets can be effective/he wants to make up for his flop mistake.

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wow this forum seems noisy...

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wtf was that supposed to imply?

[Drainbamaged]

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you allow villain to play optimally...that is what is wrong

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Elaborate, please.

[Reliant444]

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you allow villain to play optimally...that is what is wrong

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Elaborate, please.

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Villain most likely folds unless he has Ax, in which case we're drawing to nothing besides our set or a runner runner nut flush. Betting allows him to fold hands we're ahead of and call when we're dominated. Basically c-betting=bluff here. Let villain do the bluffing.

[Drainbamaged]

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you allow villain to play optimally...that is what is wrong

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Elaborate, please.

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Villain most likely folds unless he has Ax, in which case we're drawing to nothing besides our set or a runner runner nut flush. Betting allows him to fold hands we're ahead of and call when we're dominated. Basically c-betting=bluff here. Let villain do the bluffing.

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But we do charge a flush draw, right? (Thanks for the elaboration.)

[Xanta]

Drain, suited cards in a reraised pot make up a very slim percentage of villains range, especially when the A/images/graemlins/club.gif is on the board and we hold the K/images/graemlins/club.gif. What could he have here that would play it like that preflop, J/images/graemlins/club.gif Q/images/graemlins/club.gif?
The draw really doesn't concern us at all.

Also, betting the flop sucks as does the 'because it's standard' line of reasoning.

[noob_sauce]

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Drain, suited cards in a reraised pot make up a very slim percentage of villains range, especially when the A/images/graemlins/club.gif is on the board and we hold the K/images/graemlins/club.gif. What could he have here that would play it like that preflop, J/images/graemlins/club.gif Q/images/graemlins/club.gif?
The draw really doesn't concern us at all.

Also, betting the flop sucks as does the 'because it's standard' line of reasoning.

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Ok, thank you all for the elaboration... adjustment made /images/graemlins/blush.gif

[Drainbamaged]

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Drain, suited cards in a reraised pot make up a very slim percentage of villains range, especially when the A/images/graemlins/club.gif is on the board and we hold the K/images/graemlins/club.gif. What could he have here that would play it like that preflop, J/images/graemlins/club.gif Q/images/graemlins/club.gif?
The draw really doesn't concern us at all.

Also, betting the flop sucks as does the 'because it's standard' line of reasoning.

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Oh, I actually missed the reraise. Thanks for the clarification, though! I need them; my name is not just a ploy.