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molotom

03-23-2007, 01:54 PM

Without a read, what range would you put UTG on after the flop, then after the turn CRAI?

Also, how would you play this turn? I realise that the CRAI shows great strength, but I can't fold getting 6:1 when he could hold QQ,KK. I understand that my turn bet committed me, how does it compare to just pushing? Given his stack at this point, is it ever right to bet less than all-in?

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($13.75)
SB ($10.10)
BB ($4.05)
UTG ($7.35)
MP ($9.90)
CO ($13.80)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls $0.10, 1 fold, CO calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.7, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.60, CO folds.

Flop: ($1.65) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $1.3, UTG calls $1.30.

Turn: ($4.25) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)

UTG checks, Hero bets $3.2, UTG raises to $5.35 (All-in), Hero calls $2.15.

River: ($14.95) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)

Final Pot: $14.95

Bonesy

03-23-2007, 02:09 PM

You played it fine. No reason to overbet the pot on the turn. Your bet was good.

RollTide77

03-23-2007, 02:22 PM

This is usually a set of Ts or Js since he didn't open raise PF. But you can't fold the turn for only $2 more. Everything looks good to me.

miw210

03-23-2007, 02:32 PM

Looks good, no way can you fold turn.

Sir Winalot

03-23-2007, 04:32 PM

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This is usually a set of Ts or Js since he didn't open raise PF. But you can't fold the turn for only $2 more. Everything looks good to me.

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wtf? Hero played the hand fine and I'm quite confident that we have at least 80% equity here.

Mal_Pais

03-23-2007, 04:44 PM

Looks fine. For ~70BBs, I think we have to pay off 33 or JT.

molotom

03-23-2007, 05:00 PM

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You played it fine. No reason to overbet the pot on the turn. Your bet was good.

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That is reassuring.
However I am still confused about how the 80% PSB is better than a push on the turn. Villain should realise that my 80% PSB leaves me committed, so do we make this bet in the hope that he is dumb and will just call it with draws/weaker hands that would've folded had I pushed?

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This is usually a set of Ts or Js since he didn't open raise PF.

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wtf? Hero played the hand fine and I'm quite confident that we have at least 80% equity here.

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I would expect JJ to open-raise preflop, same for TT. I doubt he has 33: limp+calling my raise for set value is questionable, he is getting 12:1 implied if he stacks me, which is fine if he knows I hold AA, but most of the time here I am holding something like AK,AQ,AJ with which I am far less likely to stack off.

I am interested to know what ranges people would put villain on here.

RollTide77

03-23-2007, 05:02 PM

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This is usually a set of Ts or Js since he didn't open raise PF. But you can't fold the turn for only $2 more. Everything looks good to me.

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wtf? Hero played the hand fine and I'm quite confident that we have at least 80% equity here.

[/ QUOTE ]Hence the part where I said everything looks good to me.

[edit]ah, ok. I see what you're saying. Yeah, probably not JJ or TT for the set. At the time I was thinking maybe he was one of those guys who just limps in everything that's not J+J+. Slim chance though. Still could be 33.

RollTide77

03-23-2007, 05:15 PM

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I would expect JJ to open-raise preflop, same for TT. I doubt he has 33: limp+calling my raise for set value is questionable, he is getting 12:1 implied if he stacks me, which is fine if he knows I hold AA, but most of the time here I am holding something like AK,AQ,AJ with which I am far less likely to stack off.

I am interested to know what ranges people would put villain on here.

[/ QUOTE ]I'm assuming bad play all around by villain. He either limped in a pair, JT, or KJ/KT/A3. The c/r says I've got more than one pair to me.

As to the turn bet question, me being scared of two pair or a set here, I'm doing the 3/4 PSB hoping to get a fold from KJ, KT, A3, etc. You could push but if he was planning on c/r a set or two pair you just put alot more in jeapardy. I'd rather 3/4 PSB and then decide if I want to go AI with this depending on what he does. Yes you are pot committed but there are times when I'm pot committed and I still fold to save a few bucks after now being 90% sure I'm beat.