Villain has AJs

[marvin_1935]

Hero is running 17/12/3.5

No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25./$0.50.
6 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Stack sizes:
Hero: $78.80
Villain: $50
CO: $24
Button: $49.25
SB: $60.65
BB: $46.60

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with XX
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $1.75</font>, Villain has A /images/graemlins/spade.gifJ /images/graemlins/spade.gif and calls, 4 folds.

Flop: 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif J/images/graemlins/heart.gif ($4.25, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $4.25</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Villain raises to $14</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises all-in $77.05</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Villain calls all-in $48.25</font>.

what do you think of Villain's play and what range do you put hero on?

[JadeRedstone]

Hero have an over pair more often the a set. So villain play is good. He is only a real dog to a set and slightly under dog to A's. He is infront K's and Q's

[KEW]

Villain=standard..Would've have raised a little more but getting them AI on this flop is the goal..

Hero appears to have a SET/combo draw or is over playing an overpair..Overplaying overpair would be based on heros read on how villain plays TP and draws...

PS..I think villain=HERO

[marvin_1935]

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Villain=standard..Would've have raised a little more but getting them AI on this flop is the goal..

Hero appears to have a SET/combo draw or is over playing an overpair..Overplaying overpair would be based on heros read on how villain plays TP and draws...

PS..I think villain=HERO

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meh, it doesn't really matter if villain is hero or hero is villain . . . i haven't had time to calculate equity vs hero's range, but i don't love villain's line all that much. i believe alot of the value from playing combo draws comes from fold equity. villain obv has zero here.

a better line for villain is at least a psr on the flop if not just shoving. i may change my opinion after i look at some equity calcs.

[barryc83]

If hero is running 17/12, and I was villain I fold AJs pf bc I'm either gonna win a small one or lose a big one.

Once villain raises flop he's gotta call. After he goes AI, the pot is 65.75 (assuming no rake) and villain has 34.25 left, so hes getting 1:1.92 on the call. Hero will have QQ/KK/AA enough to make this call profitable IMO.

[KEW]

Why and how can you say villain has zero FE???? Hero open raises and makes a standard pot sized C-bet..Once villain raises he will be getting nearly 2 to 1 odds to CALL of his last $34.25 with nut FD alone..Odds against flush 1.86 to 1...

[lemming]

seems like your hand was being crushed by what you consider a bad play?

villains line is ok to me, if he decides to call that preflop and puts you on QQKK, he played fine.

[Cortz]

villain seems 2 have played his hand pretty standard

[Zagga]

Villain flopped TPTK with Nut flushdraw, his line was fine.

[ama0330]

I play the same as villain.

Hero must have at least top two pair, a set or an open ended straight flush draw to make this play and I would fold everything else to the $14 raise.

[Genz]

So you had a set of jacks or nines and you think villain administered a bad beat? I'd probably play it the same, tbh. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Fiksdal]

I'm not sure about preflop, but I certainly play flop the same as villain.

Hero could have AJ, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gifK/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 77, 99, JJ, QQ, KK, AA

[Genz]

Does anyone actually ever wonder how many villains on these limits actually have PT and PAHUD and know how tight OP has been playing and how stupid their call with AJs is considering his stats? I think we are overestimating the impact of our own play on our image in regard of how tight we play quite a bit. Loose play might leave more of an impression. But I don't think many players will notice that we barely move.

[ama0330]

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Does anyone actually ever wonder how many villains on these limits actually have PT and PAHUD and know how tight OP has been playing and how stupid their call with AJs is considering his stats? I think we are overestimating the impact of our own play on our image in regard of how tight we play quite a bit. Loose play might leave more of an impression. But I don't think many players will notice that we barely move.

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What? 17/12 is not that tight and villain is destroying Hero's range... nothing about villains play is stupid on any street

[EMc]

Villain is WB the UTG opening range of a 17/12.

Villain`s play is standart, I would have played it the same. Flat calling AJs preflop in position is not bad play IMO. I fold AJo tho.

[VPIP100]

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Villain is WB the UTG opening range of a 17/12.

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Preflop yes, on the flop, no.

[Genz]

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Does anyone actually ever wonder how many villains on these limits actually have PT and PAHUD and know how tight OP has been playing and how stupid their call with AJs is considering his stats? I think we are overestimating the impact of our own play on our image in regard of how tight we play quite a bit. Loose play might leave more of an impression. But I don't think many players will notice that we barely move.

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What? 17/12 is not that tight and villain is destroying Hero's range... nothing about villains play is stupid on any street

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My question was more: how likely is villain to know what OP's stats are in the first place. Doesn't matter how his play was considering the ranges etc.

[kaz2107]

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Villain is WB the UTG opening range of a 17/12.

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do u mean preflop? on tha flop this looks like a clear call. especially with so much dead money in tha pot. if u ment preflop then i totally agree and dont hate folding pre at all by villian. other then that this is 100% standard.

[EMc]

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Villain is WB the UTG opening range of a 17/12.

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do u mean preflop? on tha flop this looks like a clear call. especially with so much dead money in tha pot. if u ment preflop then i totally agree and dont hate folding pre at all by villian. other then that this is 100% standard.

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Yea I mean PF.

[kaz2107]

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Villain is WB the UTG opening range of a 17/12.

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do u mean preflop? on tha flop this looks like a clear call. especially with so much dead money in tha pot. if u ment preflop then i totally agree and dont hate folding pre at all by villian. other then that this is 100% standard.

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Yea I mean PF.

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totally agree then. callin pre here is not a good thing at all imo.

[EMc]

This is pretty much one of the only flops that you can like if you call with this hand,

[marvin_1935]

let's see if i get this right:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

22,770 games 0.032 secs 711,562 games/sec

Board: 9s 7s Jh
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 44.387% 44.07% 00.32% 10035 72.00 { AsJs }
Hand 1: 55.613% 55.30% 00.32% 12591 72.00 { JJ+, 99, 77, KsQs }


pot is 65.75 and villain has to call 34.25. villain will win 65.75 44% of the time and lose 34.25 56% of the time:
(65.75*0.44)-(34.25*0.56)=9.75 so villain's call is EV+
obv this call becomes better even wider as hero's range widens.

i like hero's line with a set. is hero overplaying an overpair by shoving? i thought so and then i stoved a range:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

543,510 games 0.016 secs 33,969,375 games/sec

Board: 9s 7s Jh
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 46.995% 46.59% 00.40% 253236 2187.50 { JJ-99, 77, AsQs, AsJs, AsTs, KsQs, KsJs, KTs, QsJs, AJo }
Hand 1: 53.005% 52.60% 00.40% 285899 2187.50 { QQ+ }


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i thought this was a fairly narrow range, widening it will improve our equity. thoughts on this range?

[matrix]

Hero should raise more pf.

Villains play is goot (tho he can't read hands too well).

Hero has a set or T8ss. (or at least he should have)

Villain is a 60/40 dog to OESFD/set/overpair

If Hero is playing an overpair like this then I /images/graemlins/heart.gif villains play.

Hero shouldn't be getting it all-in here with AA I think. (tho that depends a lot on how villain plays post)

[matrix]

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This is pretty much one of the only flops that you can like if you call with this hand,

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or....


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I think he hits about 7% of flops hard enough to like his chances - implied odds are ~28:1 - Hero is aggro enough to likely get 30-40BB lots of the time

I think it's a call pre albeit a thin one. Hero should raise more preflop - as even an extra 25c kills villains implied odds enough to swing it to a fold. Hitting the betpot button preflop = teh laziness.

semi-useless fact of the day: This flop (TP+nfd) comes 0.25% (quarter of one percent) of the time.