KK hows my line

[jordiepop]

no reads on villian. the turn would make think my hand is good, but i dont think raising is a good idea. even if hes a shortie

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Stack sizes:
UTG: $57.50
UTG+1: $34.60
Hero: $61.20
Button: $73.65
SB: $48.70
BB: $17.60

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2.75</font>, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG+1 folds.

Flop: 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($6.25, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: A/images/graemlins/spade.gif ($6.25, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets $4.35</font>, Hero calls.

River: 6/images/graemlins/club.gif ($14.95, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

[eigenvalue]

With KK on an A-flop, I always make a CB. You give your hand away if you don't CBet an A-flop with a pair.
As played, turn and river are ok.

[jordiepop]

i dont agree with this, i check ak on ace high flops all the time now. There have been some really good posts about dealing with kk when an ace flops. checking here isnt a dead give away imo.

[Genz]

Well, if you check AK on A-hi flops from time to time, you can check here too without raising suspicion. But I think a) you shouldn't check AK on A-hi flops too often because you are giving money away and b) on uNL noone realizes this anyway...

But in general I like the hand. I might make a smallish value bet on the river though against a passive player.

[dirtylobster]

Do you raise $2.75 with pocket 5's preflop? Do you raise $2.75 with JTs preflop? If not, then don't bet $2.75 with KK. You're awfully easy to read. There are donks that are very easy to put on a hand just because of their bet size preflop. Make it about $1.75-$2 regardless of your holdings.

I'd bet the flop most of the times here. Either you take it down there or he reraises and you can fold. A pocket pair would most probably call.

Why didn't you bet the river? You have the best hand here in most cases and he'll probably call a $10 bet with any pocket pair 77+. If he shoves, fold. He could have any pocket pair here or two diamonds.

EDIT: Sorry, didn't see the limper. Don't mind preflop play, it's good. Gotta take a nap.....

[spalding]

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Do you raise $2.75 with pocket 5's preflop? Do you raise $2.75 with JTs preflop? If not, then don't bet $2.75 with KK. You're awfully easy to read. There are donks that are very easy to put on a hand just because of their bet size preflop. Make it about $1.75-$2 regardless of your holdings.



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There's a limper infront of him so $1.75 would be pretty bad.

[dirtylobster]

OMG I must have been tired when posting that. Villain can have about any two cards of his range and is just trying to steal the pot on the turn. Bet river!

[Gustav]

I play it exactly the same.

[avfletch]

Standard until the river where I'd make a value bet. Probably around half pot.

[Gustav]

I don't know, he's not calling with much on this board and the 6 is a possible holding. I don't hate it though.

[dirtylobster]

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I don't know, he's not calling with much on this board and the 6 is a possible holding. I don't hate it though.

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You think he'd call preflop with A6/56/67 OOP? His line still doesn't make any sense. He would bet the river with a 6 for sure.

[Zagga]

A high flops are especially good for c-betting if you missed, since villains will think you can certainly have hitted it. checking the turn cries JJ-KK and people will take advantage of that by bluffing you out with nothing in a pot you otherwise would have taken with the c-bet.

on uNL, people wont notice you checking AK on an A high board but they will notice you checking on an A high board here.

[gumpzilla]

I'd check behind on this flop usually as well, though a cbet isn't terrible since you're in position. If you're comparing it to A-hands, AK isn't the right comparison - I'd bet AK almost all the time there. AJ, on the other hand, I'd frequently check behind with. The difference is that when you have AK there are a few more worse As your opponent will call with that aren't there with AJ.

Anyway, I like the line.

[Gustav]

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A high flops are especially good for c-betting if you missed, since villains will think you can certainly have hitted it. checking the turn cries JJ-KK and people will take advantage of that by bluffing you out with nothing in a pot you otherwise would have taken with the c-bet.

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Based on this logic, hero played the flop and turn absolutely perfectly. No better hands are folding to a flop bet, there are no draws, and we likely induced a turn bluff.