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TheBob
03-20-2007, 06:24 PM
Villain is super loose aggresive and we've mixed it up quite a bit with me getting the best of him mostly. I push the turn because his flop call could almost any two with a piece with how deep our stacks are and there are just so many draws out there now. If I just make a pot sized raise I figure I have to call any bet on the river right? If that's the case then I figure he's getting too juicy odds for me to not move in. Is this just playing too scared or do any of you believe that my rational makes sense?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com (http://www.internettexasholdem.com)

MP3 ($152.85)
Hero ($116.90)
Button ($42.15)
SB ($52)
BB ($48.50)
UTG ($80.80)
UTG+1 ($79.70)
MP1 ($77.50)
MP2 ($50)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls $0.50, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to $2</font>, Hero calls $2, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG calls $1.50, MP2 calls $1.50.

Flop: ($8.75) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
UTG checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets $5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $20</font>, UTG folds, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $15.

Turn: ($48.75) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets $5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $94.9</font>, MP3 folds.

Final Pot: $148.65
n3xxt
03-20-2007, 06:30 PM
I think the only hand you beat that calls is 22(maybe) so i dont like it that much.
Tiki
03-20-2007, 06:33 PM
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I think the only hand you beat that calls is 22(maybe) so i dont like it that much.

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Yup.
TheBob
03-20-2007, 06:35 PM
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I think the only hand you beat that calls is 22(maybe) so i dont like it that much.

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Yup.

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I know this guys but if I make a pot sized raise am I calling off the rest regardless of the river? I guess the answer is probably yes...
EDonk
03-20-2007, 06:36 PM
I would agree that you are just going to get him to fold with this bet. Even with bottom set, I doubt I'm calling nearly 200BBs with that bet, especially not with the texture of the board. I think you have to put in a raise though, I would try a pretty weak re-raise to try to get him to 3-bet; I don't mind a push over a 3bet by a guy who you've been mixing it up with and owning lately. If he calls, I'm calling most rivers unless it's a diamond in which case depends on the pot odds and my read at the moment.

Also, try to pair the board. That helps.
juanepr
03-20-2007, 06:53 PM
I understand that you want to price his draws out, but part of cashing in on your set is to have villian call you with worse hands. Give him bad odds, but not so bad that he only calls with a hand that beats you. I'd probably make the raise to $50-$60. If a diamond falls, hope it pairs the board :P
Pirelli
03-20-2007, 06:55 PM
You definitely have to raise, and with all those draws you would want to make it about $60 which, as you said, commits you to the pot.

His bet looks like a blocking bet, and I think a good percentage of his range is draws. If he is super loose, he may be bad enough to call with JJ+ or one of the draws. So just put in the pot sized raise.

If he draws out, he wasn't getting correct odds, even though you will be paying off your last $30 and sometimes you will stack him when he hits a dirty out, or bluffs.

Also , the pot is already big, so you don't mind taking it down when he does find his fold button.
n3xxt
03-20-2007, 06:56 PM
i dont think he is drawing....
TheBob
03-20-2007, 06:56 PM
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I understand that you want to price his draws out, but part of cashing in on your set is to have villian call you with worse hands. Give him bad odds, but not so bad that he only calls with a hand that beats you. I'd probably make the raise to $50-$60. If a diamond falls, hope it pairs the board :P

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Ya, im pretty sure you're right. I think I just wanted to pick up the pot then because I had been running bad all day and was just getting back to even. I know that's terrible logic but it happens...
matrix
03-20-2007, 06:57 PM
make it $45 to go on the turn. that gives him ~2.5:1 odds - nowhere near good enough to draw.

If he calls that he has ~$40 on the river to play with - so he can hit the diamond draw you can pay him off and he still makes a -EV play.

If he's superloose aggro then almost certainly he is folding here no matter how much you raise I think.
n3xxt
03-20-2007, 07:11 PM
what do we think his turn bet means? this always confuses me a little when i 3bet someone and the open the turn for a smaller amount.

My best guess is i have a made hand do u? or please just call i wanna draw cheap.
juanepr
03-20-2007, 07:17 PM
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what do we think his turn bet means?

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His bet looks like a blocking bet, and I think a good percentage of his range is draws.

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