NL50 river the nut flush and fold?

[TheBob]

Is this standard? My alarm bells went off when the vilain priced me in on the turn after getting aggresive on the flop and then moved in on an obvious scare card for his hand if he only has 3 jacks. Looking back on it I was getting 2-1 but I just cant see what he can play this way except for MAYBE a smaller flush. Any insight would be greatly appreciated, thanks.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) internettexasholdem.com (http://www.internettexasholdem.com)

MP2 ($29.20)
Hero ($83.90)
Button ($10.15)
SB ($54.10)
BB ($27.40)
UTG ($13.50)
UTG+1 ($49.50)
MP1 ($60.80)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($2.50) J/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $1</font>, BB calls $1, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to $3.5</font>, Hero calls $3.50, SB folds, BB calls $2.50.

Turn: ($14) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets $3</font>, Hero calls $3, BB calls $3.

River: ($23) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets $22.2 (All-In)</font>, Hero folds, BB folds.

Final Pot: $45.20

[n3xxt]

yeh hes full nh

[Tiki]

If villain is only "good enough" to have a FH here then I'd have thought that he'd of bet a little more on the turn.

I'd call the river.

[n3xxt]

iduno hes betting line makes me pretty sure. i think villian is just tryin to milk everyone close to drawing dead. then his dream card hits on the river so he finaly pushes knowin he will probuly get action. not defending villians play just my thoughts.

[TheBob]

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If villain is only "good enough" to have a FH here then I'd have thought that he'd of bet a little more on the turn.

I'd call the river.

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What are you putting the villain on then? The only thing he can possibly have here is a smaller flush which seems unlikely, no way does he push a naked jack into two other players when the flush is completed on the river.

[Tiki]

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If villain is only "good enough" to have a FH here then I'd have thought that he'd of bet a little more on the turn.

I'd call the river.

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What are you putting the villain on then? The only thing he can possibly have here is a smaller flush which seems unlikely, no way does he push a naked jack into two other players when the flush is completed on the river.

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DAI.

Plenty of players are capable raising Flush-draws/J-x/overpairs on the flop.

A river call will show a profit if villain(s) has a set on the flop less than 2/3 of the time.

I'd need some fantastic read/scary board to fold the nut-flush for 60BB.

My 2c.

[n3xxt]

note the re raise on the flop...then a 3$ bet into a 14$ 3 way draw heavy pot....alarms should be going off.

[Zagga]

Alarms would indeed go off by me but I would still call.

[corndog]

Really need more info on villain. I can definitely see a K or Q high flush draw played like this from a bad opponent, but without any info I think the fold is correct.

[juanepr]

If you think he filled up, you should not have drawn to your flush on the turn, regardless of how juicy the pot odds are. Specially since BB was left to act and could have raised. I fold on the turn.

If you called the turn thinking he was full of [censored], then call this river.

[Tiki]

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note the re raise on the flop...then a 3$ bet into a 14$ 3 way draw heavy pot....alarms should be going off.

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By betting slightly more on the turn, villain could still price-in FD's AND be able to get his stack in on the river for 2/3ish pot.

He could also be "value-betting a FD" hoping to stack a J-x.

[TheBob]

My read was solidified by his river push. I thought it was possible that he had a boat and then when he pushed the river I was 90% sure.

[jonyy6788]

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My read was solidified by his river push. I thought it was possible that he had a boat and then when he pushed the river I was 90% sure.

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fold the turn if you're gonna fold the river

[juanepr]

I think a point worthy of more discussion is the flop. The decision you face is not as easy as it seems. You have MP raising after a bet and a call and somebody left to act. You have to discount the draw possibilities, since you hold the nut draw. I find myself in these situations and I am unsure of whther to call, raise or fold.

Anybody want to chime in on this?

[edit: a further complication is that you draw is not a super-combo draw. Your only good outs are the flush outs. Everything else is no good against a set]