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Mailmeeggs
03-13-2007, 01:52 AM
Firstly, I realise that this probably doesn't warrant a new topic, and that this question must have been asked before, however my searches didn't turn up what I was looking for. Also, the newbie question thread seems to be locked, so, with apologies for what is no doubt a stupid question, here goes:

I recently read this post:

http://archiveserver.twoplustwo.com/show...part=1&vc=1 (http://archiveserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=3410992&page=0&fpart=1&v c=1)

Great advice, but I simply do not understand these parts:

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A little special advice for the few times that it's folded to you when you are in the small blind. Play this situation as the exact same as you would in late position except if you have QQ,KK,AA and AK. If you are dealt one of those hands you should simply call the small blind. If the big blind raises, you go all in.

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If you raise two dollars with AA and got called by a tight player holding 22 and the 22 made trips and won all your money, it's not a bad beat, you got outplayed. Here's how we're going to avoid this. If there is a raise and a reraise before it gets to you, simply go all in. You'll get called enough to make this worhtwhile. The thing with this play is if it happens four times and you get called once, then it's pretty close to playing perfectly, and you won't ever make the mistake of putting money in when you're beat on the flop.

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Yes, you wont make the post flop mistake consciously, but isn't that irrelevant as when you're beat on the flop the correct pre flop play has now in a sense automatically become a post flop mistake?

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So if you have 30 and someone with more money raises it 2 to you, raise it to 10. Then whatever the flop comes, go all in.

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How do the above three quotes make sense? I mean, even if this strategy has worked two, three, even four times in a session surely if you're always going all in in certain situations the time will (and in my experience not that infrequently) come when you'll lose your stack, and thus all the good play and profit that came before hand is wasted. How does this play ever add up to a profitable method?

Thank you in advance for any helpful replies, and please be gentle with this somewhat confused newbie =)

Mailmeeggs
03-13-2007, 02:32 AM
I can't seem to find how to edit here, so sorry again...I guess my brain is rotting after 71 years!
I'd just like to add that I'd really like an explanation of the whole 'shove' strategy, as mentioned above and in posts like this:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...e=0#Post9534134 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=9534134&an=0&page=0#Post 9534134)

I can see how it works with the nuts, but with anything less, don't you stand to lose your bankroll if lady luck doesn't smile on you? Are we counting on a fold here, or that the opponent won't be able to fully call you, so in the event of a loss we're not wiped out?

This old man needs a lil help!

freedom18
03-13-2007, 02:47 AM
the main thing they seem to be talking about is having people call with incorrect odds, at our level I don't think this is such a good play since we can manipulate the pot size with a lot of people paying us off with 2nd best hands rather than calling AI's.

It just seems like a cheap way to get out of hard post flop decisions, why practice this when your not going to do it in the long run, work on other techniques such as flop betting and getting away from ur big over pairs