Another 100nl hand for erryone takin shots at it: AA on monotone flop

[kaz2107]

well sense it seems like lots of micros r close to 100nl and thus postin a few 100nl hands here more recently here is one i played recently that my strike up some discusion. note stack sized fa sho

STAGE #595945535: HOLDEM NO LIMIT $1 - 2007-03-07 01:53:27 (ET)
Table: CITRUS HEIGHTS (Real Money) Seat #1 is the dealer
Seat 1 - MNPOKERKING ($92.32 in chips)
Seat 2 - HERO ( <font color="green"> $199 in chips </font> )
Seat 3 - SULCATA ($133.35 in chips)
Seat 4 - THANGBAIHAI ($60.85 in chips)
Seat 5 - Villian ( <font color="green"> $228.28 in chips </font> )
Seat 6 - WYLDTHING89 ($215.25 in chips)
JUMPMANHOLLA - Posts small blind $0.50
SULCATA - Posts big blind $1
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO [A /images/graemlins/diamond.gif A /images/graemlins/spade.gif]
THANGBAIHAI - Calls $1
Villian - Raises $4 to $4
WYLDTHING89 - Folds
MNPOKERKING - Folds
HERO - Raises $13.50 to $14
SULCATA - Folds
THANGBAIHAI - Folds
Villian - Calls $10
*** FLOP *** [9 /images/graemlins/heart.gif 3 /images/graemlins/heart.gif 8 /images/graemlins/heart.gif]
HERO - Bets $21
Villian - All-In(Raise) $214.28 to $214.28
HERO????


Reads...
Villian is a laggy reg who plays around 29 23 3.5 he is dece and deffinalty isnt scared to make a big bluff or two. my note on him says he calls my 3 bets lite but also that i had been 3 betting him a lot (but this is tha 2nd hand at tha table so i have no idea if he remebers i was 3 betting him light bfore or not???)

so anyways wut r u doin here being 200 bbs deep and the monotone flop?? call or fold?

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sorry tha converter doesnt seem to b workin now that i am back from break

[dirtylobster]

Why take the chance? If he's so eager to shove his chips you'll probably get a better chance.

[boycalledroy]

Yeah you could be drawing almost dead here. Wait til you have some live stuff!

[98Suited]

I think I'd fold this 200bb deep. Of course this might be a draw, but it could also be small flush/2-pair if he calls your 3-bets light, a set

[barryc83]

Does he ever show up with 999 or 888 here? You have to think he wouldnt play a flush like this. Looks more like Ah or a smaller overpair to me. But what do I know, I took a 5 BI shot at 100nl this weekend and lost it all.

[kaz2107]

lets put villian on some sort of a range both preflop and on the flop please instead of these one line responses that dont help n e one. kthnx

[Gelford]

I've tried fiddling with a range and it shows 50-50 .... and this is even a fairly tight range imo.


I think it is just one of those HOLLA!! spots, where the difference in EV is small no matter what you do.

Question is if he would shove a made hand or only as a semibluff .... I've started experimenting with shoving made hands especially with a bad image, but many have a tendency to shove draws and milk the goods (kinda dumb actually)


I say spitecall him (I used to play sngs you know)



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Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

48,510 games 0.005 secs 9,702,000 games/sec

Board: 9h 8h 3h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 50.075% 49.01% 01.07% 23774 517.50 { AdAs }
Hand 1: 49.925% 48.86% 01.07% 23701 517.50 { AhKh, KhQh, QhJh, JhTh, Jh9h, Th9h, Th8h, 9h8h, 9h7h, 8h7h, 8h6h, 7h6h, 7h5h, 6h5h, 5h4h, AcKh, AdKc, AdKh, AhKc, AhKd, AhKs, AsKh, KdQc, KhQs, KsQc, KsQd, QsJc, QsJd, QsJh, JcTh, JdTh, JhTc, JhTd, JhTs, JsTh, T9o, 98o, 87o }


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[DawnToDusk]

A little more about your image please. You ahve been 3betting him plenty and you say he has called them plenty, but what about your overall image. Seen as a TAG? LAG? Weak tight? He could have some speculative hands in there such as suited connectors but I think we will find our speculative ahdsnt o be pocket pairs more often than not in this spot. He could also have a legit hand like AK, AQ, or something along the likes. If he had a stronger hand I think he might be more inclined to 3bet in this spot as you have been 3betting him a lot. Maybe light, maybe not. So PF I put him on:

AJ+, KQ, KK/QQ (more inclined to 3bet this hand IMO), 77+, 98s+. You agree more or less?

On the flop any bet like that is going to be really hard for you to call unless you definately have a strong hand. This push seems to me like he could have any number of hands. He might already have flush and is worried that you have the Ah or some other high &lt;3 that makes his flush 2nd best if you hit. He might also have a set and worry the same thing. I don't think he pushes an overpair here like this so I think we can take out KK/QQ/JJ/TT. He might even have two pair (having called with like 98s) and be worrying still about your &lt;3. So it looks like the hands that he could of made that have strength, he is worried about. He could also of pushed this with some draw. He might have an Ah in a hand like AK, AQ, AJ etc. He might of even been lose enough to call with Ah9x and push here. If he already did have the nut flush he isn't really getting any value from his bet here so I think we can count that out too. So far on the flop we can put him on:

99/88 for a set (maybe even 33)
98 for 2 pair
Weaker made flush
Ah with or without something else on the board

Hows that look to you so far?

You are ahead of the Ah with or without something like a pair too. But you are probably a dog with two to come. You are already a dog to the sets and two pair hands. So its looking to me as a fold. Let me think a little more about it and then I will post again in a few. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[DawnToDusk]

Any PP in there for sets?

[Brian O'Nolan]

You note that villain will call 3bets light and you are 200 bbs deep, so he's gonna have a fairly wide range. I would say he's calling almost all your 3bets with anything he's raising UTG+1... any pair, SC's, suited aces... AJ/KQ broadway hands he probably folds. It's a pretty good flop for him to push you off an overpair- without the Ah it's going to be hard for you to call his shove. Tough spot... I like a fold being your 2nd hand at the table. How did you double up in the first hand?

[kaz2107]

im about to go to dinner then i will post my thoughts on tha hand and we can go from there.

PS
i think a big chunk of villians range was an overpair which left out in gelfords ranges

[Gelford]

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i think a big chunk of villians range was an overpair which left out in gelfords ranges

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Yep, simply forgot to plot the pairs /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[fees]

insta-call hes a psycho

[matrix]

fold.

I'd call with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif - but not without.

it's 50/50 he has a /images/graemlins/heart.gif - and any hand with a /images/graemlins/heart.gif is a 40/60 dog to our AA.

if he has a set we're a 10% dog

if he has JThx for the combo draw we're a 60/40 dog.

We are almost def ahead right now - but we aren't far ahead unless he's a complete moran with JTss or something like that - I'd put him on something along the lines of fd+gs and fold my 2% edge.

Obv if we have an edge here correct play is to call - but I'm a nit with 200BB and only one pair and no draw.

occasionally he has a flopped flush here as well and running into that would really suck.

(I'm guessing this is Absolute where you can buyin for 200BB)

[Gelford]

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We are almost def ahead right now - but we aren't far ahead unless he's a complete moran with JTss or something like that - I'd put him on something along the lines of fd+gs and fold my 2% edge.

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Matrix ... I usually cling on to every word you say, but here I find that you are giving bad advice.

If you have an edge however small as it may be then you gotta take it. Correct me if Im wrong, but especially against someone trying to run over the table, you cant let him

Or are you under the assumption, that if you let him, then he will push again into you when you got a boat or similar since you have shown yourself as weak making this an inverse +EV metaplay ?


I can't make sense of this /images/graemlins/confused.gif

[matrix]

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We are almost def ahead right now - but we aren't far ahead unless he's a complete moran with JTss or something like that - I'd put him on something along the lines of fd+gs and fold my 2% edge.

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Matrix ... I usually cling on to every word you say, but here I find that you are giving bad advice.

If you have an edge however small as it may be then you gotta take it.


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Obv if we have an edge here correct play is to call - but I'm a nit with 200BB and only one pair and no draw.



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Correct me if Im wrong, but especially against someone trying to run over the table, you cant let him

Or are you under the assumption, that if you let him, then he will push again into you when you got a boat or similar since you have shown yourself as weak making this an inverse +EV metaplay ?

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something like that - tho I'm not waiting till I have a boat pair + good draw is plenty.

You're right - in that if we decide we have an edge - however small it is we should call - it's +EV if a little high variance.

I like letting people think they can push me around and then nailing them later when I think my edge is a little bigger than 1 or 2% - I'd take a 55/45 flip for 200BB in a heartbeat - but I think that this hand is super close and so I'd tend to fold here even if it's "correct" not to because I want lower variance.

If villain here is 3betting lots - lagging it up and generally trying to run over the table the I reckon for sure we are going to get better spots soon - it only takes one hand to stack a LAGmonkey and playing weak by folding here can only encourage this guy to make more bluffs - and more daring bluffs in the future.

[Gelford]

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If villain here is 3betting lots - lagging it up and generally trying to run over the table the I reckon for sure we are going to get better spots soon - it only takes one hand to stack a LAGmonkey and playing weak by folding here can only encourage this guy to make more bluffs - and more daring bluffs in the future.

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I've experimented with this and not very fond of it .... you suddenly have to be dependent on villian betting your good hands, and while their are villians that will push everytime you check to them, this guy seems like a thinking player .... dunno, trouble is that I am a slagtard myself so ..

[GtrHtr]

I'm pretty sure that this deep, I'd call with the A /images/graemlins/heart.gif.

Also this deep, I'm pretty sure I'd fold and crank up my 3 and 4 betting on this villain in future hands with position and have a blast.

[matrix]

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playing weak by folding here can only encourage this guy to make more bluffs - and more daring bluffs in the future.

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I've experimented with this and not very fond of it .... you suddenly have to be dependent on villian betting your good hands

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it's not so much that - if I peg some villain as a lagmonkey I'll make some very thin call downs with MPNK if I think he's full of it.

I'm not waiting for great hands and hoping LAG will bet them for me - I'm trying to read his hands and work out when I have a big enough edge to call his frequent pushes - if that makes sense.

If we fold here and villain persists in pushing "scary" flops we know for a fact that he's bluffing lots of the time. The more often he does it the thinner we can call down I think.

It's probably a style thing. I find it relatively easy to setup LAGdonks into donating stacks to me further down the line - I tend to play nitty and "weak" which probably helps this /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[kaz2107]

k im back from dinner and from gettin some medicine so here is my thought on this one while i was playin and then shortly afterwards...

Villian called my 3 bet but i have no guess as to whether he remembers me 3 betting him light from previous sessions. i had like 200ish hands on him but as i said this was my 2nd hand at the table so nothing really to go by there. my normal image is 19 14.5 3 but again i had been 3 betting him much more thus if he remembers he would think im looser then that. he was decent so i made the assumption that he at least had some idea that i had been 3 betting him lite before thus made his range a bit wider then an unknown but not super wide.

on the flop my thinking was that i dont have the Ace of hearts thus it is extremely possible that he is calling with this and also holding this card alone makes it a great spot to semi bluff with A /images/graemlins/heart.gifX which i am obv ahead of. i also decided another likely holding that he would possibly do this with was any over pair, and more exactly an overpair with a hear. again i am ahead. the other possible hand was a set. and obv im well behind this.

a flopped flush is rather unlikely given it is a reraised pot and the way he played the flop. i just cant see him shoving 200bbs with a flopped flush here. that just seems like over kill to me. thus i put that as i small part of his range.

so in conclusion i decided a call was good here given the board was so sick for a semibluff when i made my bet look like a cbet and the pot was already so big. at the time of the hand bonafone (a ship it holla balla) was sittin next to me and we talked it out and decided it was extremely close but prolly slightly +EV. after the sesh we talked about it a bit more and i now think it is a bit more then slightly +EV and that i have closer to 55-60% equity (based on i really think tha majority of his range was tha A of hearts and also an overpair with a heart) on the flop thus makin it a rather easy call.

lemme kno if u agree or disagree with this and wut u think of this logic

[Gelford]

I agree ... but you already knew that /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[kaz2107]

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I agree ... but you already knew that /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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yea im wonderin wut matrix thinks... MATRIX respond i die for ur opinion /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Leviathan101]

Hmmm...

I really wish I knew more about the other player. How he plays monsters, and how he reacts to other players.

With the given amount of information I think it probably really is a very close descision. I am a LAG and I can easily see myself making this play with a flush, set or some since I know you're tight, and likely flopped an overpair. From Villian's point of view, this play looks so absurd I probably get calls from overpairs. This deep, I will call your 3 bet with any pocket pair, some SC, maybe Axs, in addition to some more random [censored] tossed in there for suprise value. (get in there T7s)

I think it's really close. I'm not against a call, but I would lay it down. I think if you have an edge, and you probably do, its very small. I fold in protection of my bankroll, but if I had a 100 buy in roll, I'd probably run it. I really want some more info, but if I knew anything else, like he slow plays monster or doesn't overbet with strong hands, makes huge bluffs, or anything, I would lean very much towards a call.
Likewise though, If I have notes that he's a solid LAG, a decent thinking player, or doesn't get out of line, I probably fold it.

So... in a nutshell I fold.

[matrix]

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so in conclusion i decided a call was good here given the board was so sick for a semibluff when i made my bet look like a cbet and the pot was already so big. at the time of the hand bonafone (a ship it holla balla) was sittin next to me and we talked it out and decided it was extremely close but prolly slightly +EV. after the sesh we talked about it a bit more and i now think it is a bit more then slightly +EV and that i have closer to 55-60% equity (based on i really think tha majority of his range was tha A of hearts and also an overpair with a heart) on the flop thus makin it a rather easy call.

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If you work the range out so that you have 55% equity or better - then I agree it is an easy call.

a lot of working out ranges is read based I think. A decent LAG here is pushing with a few hands that have you totally crushed so I think it's within 1 or 2% of 50/50 so even tho it might be correct to call I'd probably fold.

If I was villain and I was in "LAG mode" I'd be pushing here with this range (or close to it)


Board: 9h 8h 3h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 38.706% 38.26% 00.44% 17424 202.50 { AdAs }
Hand 1: 61.294% 60.85% 00.44% 27711 202.50 { KcKh, KdKh, KhKs, QcQh, QdQh, QhQs, JcJh, JdJh, JhJs, 99-88, 33, AhKh, AhQh, AhJh, AhTh, Ah9h, JhTh, 7h6h, 6h5h, AcKh, AhKc, AhKd, AhKs, AcQh, AhQc, AhQd, AhQs, AcJh, AhJc, AhJd, AhJs, JcTh, JdTh, JhTc, JhTd, JhTs, JsTh, Th9c, Th9d, Th9s }

which is basically overpair w/ /images/graemlins/heart.gif, set, baby flush w/ suited connector, combo draw, A9hh+, Ah Broadwayx

If you take his range down to overpair with /images/graemlins/heart.gif, set, Ah+pair/Ah+broadway then it's almost 50/50

Board: 9h 8h 3h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 49.172% 48.70% 00.48% 20730 202.50 { AdAs }
Hand 1: 50.828% 50.35% 00.48% 21435 202.50 { KcKh, KdKh, KhKs, QcQh, QdQh, QhQs, JcJh, JdJh, JhJs, 99-88, 33, AcKh, AhKc, AhKd, AhKs, AcQh, AhQc, AhQd, AhQs, AcJh, AhJc, AhJd, AhJs, AcTh, AhTc, AhTd, AhTs, Ah9c, Ah9d, Ah9s, Ad8c, Ah8c, Ah8d, Ah8s, Ah3c, Ah3d, Ah3s }

it's not until you start adding in hands that have no hearts in them that your equity starts getting to 55/45 in your favour.

from the info in the OP it's hard to imagine this guy pushing 200BB here without a /images/graemlins/heart.gif

I'd snap call here with 100BB - I'm calling 200BB all day with the A/images/graemlins/heart.gif in my hand - with one pair and possibly only a runner runner boat redraw I can hit I'll pass on this thin edge this time. Even tho a call might well be correct these days I like to take a slightly lower variance line where I can.

[munkey]

I assume being 200bbs deep and NL100 ur 3betting each other with a few more Scs and stuff, if you're image is of tight 3betting/history then he knows you hold premiums and isn't afraid to push so probably has u beat.

I say he's made your decision easy somewhat in that he's given you a either/ or scenario rather than multri-street confusionaments.

I fold here, we beat only really higher PPS, though his shove does weight a little towards that with a /images/graemlins/heart.gif- I still think your smoked or vs a draw or at best QQ-AA.

with the ace of hearts I'll be calling and 100bbs I'll be insta calling here but 200bbs deep I'm not for some reason /images/graemlins/blush.gif

If I had to guess the top hand in his range a hand I'll say KK /images/graemlins/heart.gif /images/graemlins/tongue.gif , set, floped SC flush, combodraw , qq, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif ko ,AA, PP bluff unlikely.

His open push makes me think he has a made hand + scared flsuh flop or needs FE.

Has he every done any open pushing before, u say he's a reg?

[BobAllinSki]

The thing is when you are ahead you are not ahead by a lot, but when you are behind you are behind by a lot, meaning that you have to be ahead A LOT more than when the times when you are behind, I'd also be dubious about eliminating a flush from his range, most decent lag's dont slowplay very often as they know for there steals to work they need to back it up with the threat of running into a hand, and sometimes a crazy push can be more likely to get paid off than a reasonable raise as people can often get overclever.

if you are 55% then call, I havnt done the analysis, but I wouldnt exclude a flush at all.

[kbrat]

I fold this. With the Ah I call. We are only slightly ahead of his semi bluffs, slightly behind his combo draws and way way behind his made hands. Playing 99 88 or 33(much less likely) this way wouldn't be surprising to attempt to push you off a possible AhKx AhAx or Khkx. Playing a made flush this way isn't as likely but if it isn't the nut flush, say KhTh, it is still possible for the same reason, pushing you off the Ah.

[Asheh]

Always leave urself outs, im calling with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif Ax here only

[Tickner]

I'd snap call this. It could easily be the Ah or an overpair. It will also be a set a small % of the time. I havent run any numbers in pokerstove, but I am almost positive that calling is good here. He wont have a flush very often IMO because a flush would much prefer to raise to $80 or so and hope that YOU push.

As matrix said, with the Ah its a super easy call. But, even without it, I'd argue that calling here is the best play.

GELFORD/Martix, I quickly skimmed the posts, and you said that you ran numbers and its 50/50? If thats true, I hope you realize that if it really is 50/50 calling is clearly correct because of the dead money.

[kaz2107]

for all of u asking for more info i pretty much gave u all i had at the time. i dont take super notes and hadnt been in this spot bfore against villian. as i said i had couple hundo hands on him but they had all been from a while ago as i hadnt played in about a week at least and this was my 2nd hand at the table. so i cant really help u much there but so goes poker and we r often not given great reads n e wayz

i think this really comes down to how strongly he plays his made hands. and here is my thinking in regards to this. why on earth would he be shoving 200bbs with a flush here. that seems ludacris to me. we r 200bbs deep thus 3 betting preflop happens in a much wider range (i am assuming he relazes this) as well as the fact that he has been playin laggy thus gets 3 bet lighter again. so he cant put me on a narrow 3 bet range even tho i am sorta nitty. im deffinatly not only 3 betting here with KK+ and my range is much larger then that. obv he doesnt directly kno that but he must realize that it is relatively a wide range. but so why would he think i have such a strong hand in this spot and think that i could call off 200bbs when i havent shown a ton of strength up to this point.

given this idea and tha fact that he is makin such a large over bet here i think i can make one of 2 conclusions for tha most part. A. his hand is rather vulnerable and he thinks he is ahead but has the possability of being draw out on (ie. an overpair, 2 pair a set, or maybe even tha ocassional tp type hand) OR B. that he needs some FE to make his hand more profitable (ie. lone flush draw, weak combo draw, or a complete bluff.) He has to realize that he has a decent amount of FE due to the fact that i have yet to show a ton of strength (all i have done is 3 bet pre and then cbet) so considering how deep we r FE should b rather high as i will make this same 2 actions with much weaker holdings and will b forced to fold a ton to this push.

now i honestly think that those hands i just listed are the majority of his range and a reason why i dont like pokerstove numbers all that much. every possible hand is given an equal value and in this case i dont think that makes much sense as i just dont seem him playin that way with some of the hands listed in his range all that frequently where i see others that i think r much more likely. this is why i think tha range where it is 50/50 is slightly higher because i think tha made flushes arent going to do this all that often thus should b given a lower proportion in this range. i dont think it is all that possible to really make these calculations (altho if some one thinks they can do it go for it /images/graemlins/grin.gif) but i think that common sense tells us that if it is 50/50 while sayin him havin a flush is just as likely as havin a vulnerable hand such as KK no hearts or even sumtin like A /images/graemlins/heart.gif K /images/graemlins/club.gif or w/e then obv my equity rises.

and last night i was thinkin about tha hand some more and also thought about wut Tickner said about all the dead money in tha pot. this also makes tha call even more profitable (something i didnt even consider all that much at the time of the call) but again if i am 50/50 exactly at the time he shoves it is a clear call since i have already invest a decent amount of money and thus am gettin better then 1:1 odds on the call.

[Gelford]

You can tweak pokerstove. Each hand has 12 combinations (if unsuited and unpaired) ... and you can remove some of these to make a certain hand less likely.

I didn't do this, cos Im lazy, but you can.

[matrix]

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I quickly skimmed the posts, and you said that you ran numbers and its 50/50? If thats true, I hope you realize that if it really is 50/50 calling is clearly correct because of the dead money.

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I am still not sure it's 50/50 - as previously stated if it's 50/50 or better a call is "correct"

I am just saying that I don't call this deep unless there's a LOT of dead money going begging (there is 15% of starting stacks here so not that much) if I think my edge is &lt; 3% or so.

Having run some numbers - some ranges came out 50/50 - the push range *I* would use in villains spot if I was playing LAG here has villain as a 60/40 fav.

I think a lot comes down to how well rolled you are - what your tolerance for variance is and what losing 200BB from your roll would do to your frame of mind later in the session.

All things being equal if you have the roll - and can lose this stack and reload with a smile without it tilting you and affecting your later play - by all means go for it /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Maybe this effect is a little lesser playing at Absolute (?) where you can simply rebuy to 200BB's rather than being stuck with buying in for 100BB's.

I have noticed that my game suffers if I misplay a big pot early in a session and make a stupid call - so overall bearing all that in mind I still lean towards folding this.

kaz:

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why on earth would he be shoving 200bbs with a flush here. that seems ludacris to me.

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because people call with all kinds of stuff. If he is a decent reg - and plays LAG lots - and therefore is a decent LAG I think it's more likely he shows up here with a set/flush/combo draw - and you're very very unhappy to see any of those hands (as you'd be a 60/40 dog then at best)

If he's a lagdonk and is just generally overaggro and overplays onepair hands too much - then with that read I call here as I'd be much happier putting him on a lesser overpair with a /images/graemlins/heart.gif

Think about it - after all your thoughts at the time and discussion with your friend you read him for a weaker hand - you decided that 1pair was a big enough favourite here to play for stacks. A good LAG uses that and very rarely out and out pushes a hand that doesn't have you cooked here - because if say he has KhKx his push is shockingly bad - cos what worse hands are going to call??

Good LAGs pick up small pot after small pot with aggression - they almost never risk their entire stacks to do that when a large scary bet will suffice. When a good LAG pushes their entire stack into the middle they either have:

a) a solid read that villain will fold to a push but not fold to a lesser bet
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b) a GREAT hand thats almost certainly a favourite over villains hand.

LAGs that frequently push stacks in without either of these are NOT decent LAG players imho.

LAGs that go too far with their stack and push too often where only better hands call them tend to go broke rather fast I think.

dying to know the results here /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Gelford]

Since I feel we covered this hand very well, no harm in posting results and since I know them, I hope Kaz forgives me for spoiling the pleasure of posting the result for him.


Villian shoved AK with one heart and got pwned. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[CashMoney1995]

fold.