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molotom
03-12-2007, 12:06 PM
Villain is a weak and passive. I'm positive he paired the ace here... should I have bet more on the flop/turn? I was hoping to induce incorrect calls with a flush draw/pair.

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saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

BB ($21.80)
UTG ($11.15)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($9.85)</font>
MP1 ($11.50)
MP2 ($5.75)
<font color="#C00000">CO ($8.85)</font>
Button ($10.85)
SB ($5.90)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $0.4</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls $0.40, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>.

Flop: ($0.95) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $0.6</font>, CO calls $0.60.

Turn: ($2.15) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $0.9</font>, CO calls $0.90.

River: ($3.95) A/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $0.9</font>, Hero ???

Final Pot: $5.75
FloppyJ
03-12-2007, 12:22 PM
Bet more on the flop and bet more on the turn (I would bet at least 0.75 and 1.50, respectively).

If you are positive he paired the ace, fold. As played, I call that river bet and make a note of what he'll take that line with.
mvdgaag
03-12-2007, 12:24 PM
I bet $2 on turn. There are now two flushdraws out there, a straigthdraw and some possible overcards.

As played, against an unknown, I'd call... You are getting better than 4-1 odds and he could very well have been on a draw and missed.
molotom
03-12-2007, 12:34 PM
My reasoning for betting these amounts on flop/turn is they would very likely get called by a flush/straight draw/overcards, even though such hands don't have the hand odds to do so. As I understand it, if my opponent is on a flush draw, and I give them 2:1 odds and they call anyway, then in the long run that benefits me right?
crushednuts
03-12-2007, 01:02 PM
a flush draw will probably call you for more money and you never know if he has an inside str8 draw etc. to go with it. Build the pot now to cut the guys implied odds if he hits..
good_gamble
03-12-2007, 01:17 PM
This is true only if you don't pay off when the draw hits. Also, if you think your opponent will call more, then by betting more he is making an even bigger mistake hence higher EV for you.
elmopoker
03-12-2007, 01:45 PM
I'd call, looks like he was drawing and is trying to bluff you out.
Sniiii
03-12-2007, 01:53 PM
Agree with Elmo. He was probably on a draw, but didn't hit, and got a fine opportunity to bluff with an Ace on river. Even if he did have the ace, you'd get a read on him.
RollTide77
03-12-2007, 02:15 PM
He's 4:1 on each street or 2:1 if he plans on playing both the turn and river no matter what. Make the flop $0.75, turn 3/4 PSB, and if he still calls all that I might even consider leading the river when the A hits. But as played I call that river bet. You're getting 5:1 odds.
DannyOcean_
03-12-2007, 02:20 PM
Must bet more on the flop and turn. The fundamental weakness of low stakes players is calling down too much, they will donitnue to do it here despite the bad odds. Given the action, you cannot fold to a tiny bet on the river. you have him beat enough to call that bet.
Bonesy
03-12-2007, 03:02 PM
On the turn you are giving him over 3:1 odds to hit his flush draw if that is what he has. He almost has immediate odds to call right there and he is right to do so. Definitely bet more on turn. I can't fold the river.
Mal_Pais
03-12-2007, 06:42 PM
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Villain is a weak and passive. I'm positive he paired the ace here...

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I don't know that he has an Ace. Villians do some funky stuff at NL10, though. What Ace did he call down with? AK? Maybe A9. I call the river.
Angrymoog
03-12-2007, 06:56 PM
I understand what you were trying to do with the bets, but I think you should bet more in both cases as opponents at these levels are highly unlikely to fold a good flush/straight or combo draw. at least .75 on the flop.

Your turn bet is so thin on punishing villain for calling with just a flush draw, youd have to fold any river where the flush completed to deny him the implied odds to make that call profitable. all he has to make is .60 off you on the river to make it break even.

I play at this level right now and I always make flop bets very near the pot, then turn bets around 2/3 - 3/4 and maybe more if there are many possible draws.

River is good, you induce a missed draw to stab the pot.