50NL: A4s flushdraw turned toppair, river decision.

[Miko]

Villain is the tipical 40/2/1 moron.

No specific reads on villain. Hero hasn't been very active lately.

Comments on pre-flop/flop/turn/river decisions please.

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Hero ($48.50)
Button ($22.50)
SB ($52.92)
BB ($52)
UTG ($76.07)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB (poster) calls $1.75, BB calls $1.50.

Flop: ($6) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $10</font>, SB folds, BB calls $7.

Turn: ($26) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($26) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $15</font>, Hero ???

[ABCofPKR]

checking the turn u induced a bluff so u must call, to him u really played like a flush draw! i would bet the turn and fold if raise, if called check fold the river...

[crushednuts]

I would probably bet the turn because a jack will probably call you. As played, call the river. Your flop raise is good, but the Ace is one of your outs (unless he has AJ) so I would get Aggro with it on the turn

[Miko]

Does my turn check induced a bluff even against some-one with an aggressive factor of 1?

[crushednuts]

Might not be a bluff, could put you on the FD and be value betting a jack like a donkey. This is why I would bet the turn, to clarify your position

[knifeparty]

PF-Fine

Flop-I think it's ok. IMO it's a good agressive play.

Turn-I would have bet about half the pot here. At this point it looks like he has middle pair to me and that Ace scared him.

River-Your pot odds suck, and against anyone half way decent I fold this. But I can't bring myself to do it against this villain. If you lose, take note of what he has. You'll have enough chances to win that 27 bucks back. Probably from him.

[Montezuma21]

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Might not be a bluff, could put you on the FD and be value betting a jack like a donkey. This is why I would bet the turn, to clarify your position

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why would we want to clarify our position? it goes against the Fundamental Theory Of Poker

I like checking the turn. that way, even if we miss, we can still rep. a missed flush draw and get a 1/2PSB called by a J on the river. If we bet the turn, we fold all hands that we can get value on the river, and we might get CRAI by AJ, which would really suck.

[crushednuts]

Not betting the turn leaves us in a position where we have to call a river bet because we induced a bluff, as happened to OP. I don't think taking the pot down on the turn is a horrible thing.
Plus, if opp has a jack he might call and check the river, in which case we can check behind (unless we hit the flush) and show down a winner. You can't be afraid of the C/R AI from the 1 hand that has you killed here. I think with the turn there is a good chance our ace is good and we should take advantage

Plus, the villain probably wouldn't check AJ here due to the fact that it is likely we are on a FD by the way we played the hand

[Montezuma21]

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Not betting the turn leaves us in a position where we have to call a river bet because we induced a bluff, as happened to OP. I don't think taking the pot down on the turn is a horrible thing.
Plus, if opp has a jack he might call and check the river, in which case we can check behind (unless we hit the flush) and show down a winner. You can't be afraid of the C/R AI from the 1 hand that has you killed here. I think with the turn there is a good chance our ace is good and we should take advantage

Plus, the villain probably wouldn't check AJ here due to the fact that it is likely we are on a FD by the way we played the hand

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1. why wouldn't we want to induce a bluff from villain on the river? you say that like it's a bad thing.

2. we're much more likely to get a river bet called than a turn bet. if we bet the turn after our flop raise, we're HIGHLY unlikely to get called by a J, because villain will interpret our hand as being a monster. if we wait until the river, however, villain will likely think we missed our flush draw, and be more willing to bluff at us or to call a value bet. (river value bets=$$$)

just my 2c.