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LuckySal
03-10-2007, 10:17 PM
Ok guys, this is my first post ever, so my excuses if i made some mistakes.

what should Hero do here??

reads:
villian: 18.5/7/4.1
villian had shoved 3 times before on the flop (IP & OOP)

POKERSTARS GAME #8827432917: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/03/10 - 02:21:25 (ET)
Table 'Hippodamia' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: HERO ($63.95 in chips)
Seat 2: cropot ($48.50 in chips)
Seat 3: 1firestone ($157.05 in chips)
Seat 4: geowal21 ($64.60 in chips)
Seat 5: Dagel29 ($39.60 in chips)
Seat 6: iamtufts ($67.40 in chips)
geowal21: posts small blind $0.25
Dagel29: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO [Ac As]
iamtufts: folds
HERO: raises $1 to $1.50
cropot: folds
1firestone: folds
geowal21: calls $1.25
Dagel29: calls $1
*** FLOP *** [Qd 5d 7h]
geowal21: bets $1.50
Dagel29: calls $1.50
HERO: raises $3.50 to $5
geowal21: raises $58.10 to $63.10 and is all-in
Dagel29: folds

HERO????

the machine
03-10-2007, 10:22 PM
given you dont have the ace of diamonds he could easily have the nut draw. its close but i call here. void of reads he could be overvaluing TPTK or a wierd played KK. he seems shove crazy so i get it in in this spot and if he has me beat i reload and say nh

corsakh
03-10-2007, 10:22 PM
Are you crazy to fold this? Its Q2o 9 out of 10.

DannyOcean_
03-10-2007, 10:25 PM
Villians aggression is huge right? AA is the nuts obv.

But srsly, you'll get beat by sets or wierd two pairs sometimes, but you'll also see diamond draws, AQ, KK, maybe even weak Q's and OESD from somebody aggresive.

marvin_1935
03-10-2007, 10:34 PM
with reads and history, i think you should call. more importantly you need to work on your bet sizing. pf was too small and flop raise should be to 10-11 at least. you're giving both villains sweet odds on FDs

LuckySal
03-10-2007, 10:42 PM
Thanks allot for the replies guys

Villain ended up having 55s

AliasMrJones
03-10-2007, 10:49 PM
Raise to $2 preflop. Raise more on the flop, I'd say to about $7. And given villains tendencies, I'm calling this all day long.

LuckySal
03-10-2007, 10:53 PM
I don’t wanna raise pfr 4x bb with strong holdings, and 3xbb with weaker holdings. cause of possible reads on me

what happened to the 3x the original amount reraise

marvin_1935
03-10-2007, 11:11 PM
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I don’t wanna raise pfr 4x bb with strong holdings, and 3xbb with weaker holdings. cause of possible reads on me

what happened to the 3x the original amount reraise

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4x is standard for everything. that still doesnt make your tiny flop raise ok.

LuckySal
03-10-2007, 11:17 PM
ok ty

crushednuts
03-10-2007, 11:44 PM
One of the biggest mistakes of most players is calling raises PF w/ hands like KT etc. I think 4x BB punishes them much more than 3x the BB. 3x gets almost no respect from what i've observed

SirFelixCat
03-11-2007, 12:55 AM
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I don’t wanna raise pfr 4x bb with strong holdings, and 3xbb with weaker holdings. cause of possible reads on me

what happened to the 3x the original amount reraise

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4x is standard for everything. that still doesnt make your tiny flop raise ok.

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4BB + 1BB per limper, just to clarify.

And with his stats, I'm felting here all day.

Also, bet more on the flop! Otherwise, call and nh!

chanchuan
03-11-2007, 01:20 AM
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Given you dont have the ace of diamonds he could easily have the nut draw.

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Yes, and we hope he does, cause then we're the favourite to win the hand after we call.

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void of reads he could be overvaluing TPTK or a wierd played KK.

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villian had shoved 3 times before on the flop (IP & OOP)


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I think that's our important read.

I call this all day long also, if he has a FD we obviously get great odds. If he has 8d6d we're toast but that's so unlikely.

cynic
03-11-2007, 05:33 AM
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I don’t wanna raise pfr 4x bb with strong holdings, and 3xbb with weaker holdings. cause of possible reads on me


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At this level players might be looking at who is aggressive / passive / tight / loose
but are they paying that much attention to your pre flop bet sizes ?

noob_sauce
03-11-2007, 05:44 AM
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Raise more on the flop, I'd say to about $7.

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particularly with the caller inbetween yyou and villain

Genz
03-11-2007, 05:56 AM
Please use a converter for future hands.

I call this in an instant. Especially if he has done this several times. He doesn't have a set everytime. He probably grossly overplays AQ, KQ here.