AK facing big reriase preflop whats the best line?

[jvans]

hand history didn't work in the converter.
Tilt 25NL 6 MAX
I raise in first pos to 1, big blind reraises me to 5.25

My thinking is this, he has a big pair or AK. If he has JJ, QQ, I'm a 2-1 to flop an A, or K and take the lead, Im only getting 1.5-1. if he has AA or KK im in huge trouble and dont even have close to the odds to calls. Is just folding this hand here the best line?

[marvin_1935]

stack sizes

[jvans]

both of us have about 25 behind us

[marvin_1935]

push

[Sweir]

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obv stack sizes are quite important, assuming 100BBs I would call this IP and raise OOP as I dont mind getting AI PF w/ AK OOP but would rather play the hand post-flop IP. Therefore I call.

[RAHZero]

You're in position, but I still hate calling here. Folding is best without reads, you're pretty much a coinflip or splitting with another AK at best, at worst you're destroyed by AA or KK.

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Push

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Ugh, no, this is horrible.

[jvans]

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...whats reasoning behind this? I find that people who make giant overraises with JJ or QQ preflop often call an all in here, i dont really want to get my money in if I'm at best 50/50, is folding a -EV here? is calling -EV? I dont see how pushing here would be +EV but if other people think can you explain your reasoning

[marvin_1935]

this NL25, villain is clearly not good. we're not calling. and we're not folding. that leaves pushing.

Edit: we're not deep, if we're both 200+ BBs deep, it's a totally different hand

[RAHZero]

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this NL25, villain is clearly not good. we're not calling. and we're not folding. that leaves pushing.

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Good logic. Seriously, no, this is an easy fold. Villain made a very large reraise. He's not folding to a push here, which means we're getting our money in at best as a coinflip. Just because villain is not good doesn't mean he doesn't get dealt good cards just like you and me. Most villains at uNL are passive, especially when it comes to 3-betting.

[marvin_1935]

large reraise ZOMFG!!!!!!!1111 AA!!!!!1111

[RAHZero]

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large reraise ZOMFG!!!!!!!1111 AA!!!!!1111

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It doesn't have to be AA, but JJ+, AK is probably an accurate representation of his range barring any reads. If he's bad, as you seem to assume, then pushing is even worse, since your FE is 0 in that case. Glad to see that you're contributing thoughtful posts to the forums though.

[Sweir]

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large reraise ZOMFG!!!!!!!1111 AA!!!!!1111

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uNL's no.1 poster?????

I don't like a push here as I think calling would be much better as we are IP and can outplay him post flop and we get to see a flop.

I also don't like a fold as I think he is doing this w/ worse aces and a lot of lower pocket pairs than AA/KK. Considering there is already money in the pot we can profitably call if villian has a lower PP, we are dominating his AQ type hands and are obv being dominated by AA/KK, all in all I think that we are ahead of his range and IP with some money already in the pot, call.

[marvin_1935]

seriously, JJ+ and AK is WAY too narrow. all PPs, AJs+ AQ+ random crap. and we do have FE vs the small PPs. you're flipping vs QQ and lower pps that call. you're 30/70 vs KK and dead to AA. splitting vs AK. what value are you going to get from PPs<KK when an A/K hits? push now and (if) he calls you get to see all five cards.

by the way, this was real insightful:

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Ugh, no, this is horrible.

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[prodonkey]

Have you even played uNL on full tilt??? AJs AQ random crap are not in the range of 99% of people.. this is usually QQ+. I agree with the other posters that you have like 0 fold equity. Why push flipping with JJ/QQ and getting crushed by AA and KK.. you can find much better spots for your money.

[marvin_1935]

meh, haven't played on FT and still stand by pushing, but if that's not the consensus, i'll just let it go

if you're not pushing, this is a clear fold