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Vedocorban

03-09-2007, 03:29 AM

Not far into the session. No read on the villain.

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Button ($70.90)
Hero ($80.30)
BB ($25.25)
UTG ($77.05)
MP ($45.85)
CO ($49.10)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif.
3 folds, Button calls $0.50, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.50) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $1.5, BB calls $1.50, Button calls $1.50.

Turn: ($6) J/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $5, BB folds, Button calls $5.

River: ($16) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $10, Button raises to $63.9, Hero ......?

Final Pot: $143.80

Genz

03-09-2007, 03:49 AM

I fold this preflop. Only when I have a feeling for the table and am pretty sure that I can play a draw oop without much resistance, I complete here. Or I need one or two more limpers. But it's not terrible or anything.

I probably snap call this river, but you could be at the idiot end of that straight. The pot wasn't raised preflop, so TT, JJ, QQ, AK are unlikely, unless Button is extremely tight preflop. Connectors like QJ, JT, KQ, KJ are likely though. You are behind those PPs and AK that are unlikely because the pot wasn't raised and you are behind JT and QJ. You beat AJ, AQ, QT (unlikely hand) and any random J. Button calls big bets on every street. This certainly looks like a slowplay here, so I probably need to revoke my estimation about his preflop play. I think you need to fold here.

Genz

03-09-2007, 03:51 AM

adding: he could bluff with KQ here that he chased with. But without a read and deep stacks, I rather save my stack.

RolloRolf

03-09-2007, 04:11 AM

looks like JQ to me.

Even with the strength of your hands i´d say you're behind.

Sigurd

03-09-2007, 04:30 AM

Fold preflop 89o is junk, especially against unknowns.

Folding river.

whoisthedrizzle

03-09-2007, 04:53 AM

I guess I would fold this preflop.

River is a tough spot, I hate folding this hand so much, but unless I've seen button get extremely out of line I just don't see him having anything we beat.

BoerfSt

03-09-2007, 05:12 AM

I think you're are behind and have to fold. Many hand beat us.
Also fold pre flop.

rakes.a.beach

03-09-2007, 05:26 AM

It seems like most people believe this is a fold preflop. My question is what do we complete here in SB after button limps? A5? AT? 78suited? QJ off? Where do we draw the line?

Galway

03-09-2007, 05:37 AM

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It seems like most people believe this is a fold preflop. My question is what do we complete here in SB after button limps? A5? AT? 78suited? QJ off? Where do we draw the line?

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Fold pf is extremely tight IMO. 89o from SB in an unraised pot? I am amazed at the responses this is getting.

Regarding the river I doubt if I ever could but I think that a fold is correct. Sure would be tough to do though. I'd probably second guess myself into thinking he had slowplayed AJ with an additonal RDF of about 5%...tough spot.

Yenool

03-09-2007, 05:41 AM

I prefer completing with 98, 76s.. etc, over rag aces and kings... even suited they are trap hands.

I think in this situation you must fold the river unless you have some sick read on this guy. You can't beat anything but a total bluff or a complete muppet bet on the river here.

boycalledroy

03-09-2007, 06:15 AM

Here is the simplist thing for you ever. Never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, EVER just complete. It is the most atrocious play known to man, save the 1/2 BB or raise it up. You get in SO much trouble just completing.

If you raise at least you control the hand and have FE. Without the raise you are OOP to EVERYBODY and unless you get very lucky you will always lose bg pots rather than win big pots.

And the worst play in poker is going broke in an unraised pot!

Genz

03-09-2007, 06:18 AM

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It seems like most people believe this is a fold preflop. My question is what do we complete here in SB after button limps? A5? AT? 78suited? QJ off? Where do we draw the line?

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Fold pf is extremely tight IMO. 89o from SB in an unraised pot? I am amazed at the responses this is getting.

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With these hand you mostly end up with a drawing hand or a marginal hand on the flop. That's not easy to play and I assume that most people around here are beginners who should avoid those spots for the most part. The other important factor is that you need to have some information to be able to play these hands profitably from oop: Can I draw cheaply? Are my opponents weak so that I should semi-bluff? Are they maniacs who will raise with nothing? How are my implied odds, ie. do they call too much? You should have answers to these questions BEFORE you call preflop. Flopping a straight doesn't make it a good call preflop.
And as op said:

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Not far into the session. No read on the villain.

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That's why I think he should keep himself out of trouble here.

Galway

03-09-2007, 06:23 AM

I agree in that Tight is Right pf when starting out; but I'd be looking to mix it up for half a bb pf with the anticipation of check folding the flop once I'm comfortable with the game.

Genz

03-09-2007, 06:34 AM

I like another limper or two though to give me more overlay. 5:1 are great odds, but if I hit big, I'd like to have more potential customers in the pot.

prodonkey

03-09-2007, 02:01 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Here is the simplist thing for you ever. Never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, EVER just complete. It is the most atrocious play known to man, save the 1/2 BB or raise it up. You get in SO much trouble just completing.

If you raise at least you control the hand and have FE. Without the raise you are OOP to EVERYBODY and unless you get very lucky you will always lose bg pots rather than win big pots.

And the worst play in poker is going broke in an unraised pot!

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Well I totally disagree with your first statement, but agree with your last one. I complete from the SB more than I raise from it... my VPIP from SB is 21%. Even with a raise you are OOP unless you take it down preflop. Over my lifetime stats I'm a very small loser from the SB. -150$ over 70k hands. You just have to be able to play poker post flop.