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pena
03-05-2007, 07:07 AM
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BB ($12.30)
UTG ($9.95)
Hero ($14.10)
SB ($11.65)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $0.3</font>, SB calls $0.25, BB calls $0.20.

Flop: ($0.90) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $0.7</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $1.8</font>, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $3.6</font>, SB calls $1.80.

Turn: ($8.10) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $7.75 (All-In)</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $15.85

Opp: only 15 hands 33/0/0.6

Now and then I see this kind of play. Why he push all his chips on the turn after calling my flop raise?
What the opponent likely do have?
I have no choice but fold?

mvdgaag
03-05-2007, 07:22 AM
I suspect AsXs or 7s8s, which would give him 16 outs or around 2-1 so it would be break even for him if you call and profitable if you fold. You should call in this case.

It could possibly be AQ because he raised preflop and would have two overcards and an inside straight draw on he flop. This might be enough reason for him to raise and go allin on the turn.

However 67, A2, 45, 33, 44, 55, QQ will all beat you and explain the flop reraise better.

You are getting 2-1 on your money. A 3, 4, 5, Q or K on the river would give you a hand that beats his 2 pair (although in some cases it gives him a fullhouse). I'd probably fold if he had two pair. Against trips you want to fold as well. You can only beat a big draw. A lone Q is unlikely, because of the flop action. Overall (I know its tough) : fold.

GL

PietM
03-05-2007, 08:14 AM
I think I'd call this. Could just as well be a made straight as AQ, IMO. Could be 88/99/TT/JJ too, I think.

98Suited
03-05-2007, 08:43 AM
If you're going to 3-bet the flop I suggest you make a bigger raise.

I call this

chanchuan
03-05-2007, 08:53 AM
Smells dangerous, but I vote for not min-reraising the flop, rather reraising all-in, as played I happily call the push.

Sir Winalot
03-05-2007, 10:05 AM
I would raise 4bb preflop. Flop bet is fine, but your re-raise size sucks, a potsized raise would be to 7, so I would probably raise to something like 6 and shove any turn, or just shove the flop.

As played I would probably just fold, I would expect him to have a set or two pair here awfully often. His line in this hand screams strenght: he close to min-c/r'ed you on the flop and called your re-raise, and then he open shoves turn. I think he is just shoving the turn because he's donkish enough to not know about anything smarter, or in a small amount of times he might be shoving out of desperation with something like 99-66 etc.

CIncyHR
03-05-2007, 01:27 PM
You didn't play this hand well. Raise more preflop. 3 bet the flop more than a minraise. As played call the all in on the turn. Why the [censored] would he do this with a hand that beats you?

Vyse
03-05-2007, 02:58 PM
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You didn't play this hand well. Raise more preflop. 3 bet the flop more than a minraise. As played call the all in on the turn. Why the [censored] would he do this with a hand that beats you?

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Agreeeeeed

RollTide77
03-05-2007, 03:00 PM
This is a slowplayed trips or a straight (A2s) more often than not at 10NL. Fold. I try to avoid going all in with just one top pair. The reason is that just when you think the donkey couldn't possibly be playing that hand, he is. And ditto on what everyone said about the min-RR.

Bigka79
03-05-2007, 03:19 PM
i think when you decided to 3bet this flop you either push or dont do it. I think we need to call this turn cause it could very easily be AQ

crushednuts
03-05-2007, 03:32 PM
He might be pushing with a set because he doesn't want to check and let you take a free card and have another spade peel off and his AI is about a PSB. I mean if he were deep here he might just bet the amount he pushed in for. I think he will either show you a strong draw or a hand that had you beat (two pair, set, straight).


I would have reraised more on the flop to commit yourself to the pot. As played I don't see what youre beating

have you seen him make this play in the past?