unraised pot turn 2 pr and villain wakes up...

[Marshall28]

Seat 1: CarpeDiem28 ($50)
Seat 2: Pat Almost ($36.75)
Seat 3: Dreamlv777 ($42.80)
Seat 4: pokermugs ($113)
Seat 5: newbelf ($50.20)
Seat 6: MF28 ($50)
newbelf posts the small blind of $0.25
MF28 posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MF28 [7s Qd]
CarpeDiem28 folds
Pat Almost calls $0.50
Dreamlv777 calls $0.50
pokermugs folds
newbelf folds
MF28 checks
*** FLOP *** [4s 5h Qs]
MF28 bets $1.30
Pat Almost calls $1.30
Dreamlv777 calls $1.30
*** TURN *** [4s 5h Qs] [7c]
MF28 bets $4
Pat Almost raises to $11
Dreamlv777 folds
MF28 calls $7
*** RIVER *** [4s 5h Qs 7c] [Jd]
MF28 checks
Pat Almost bets $16
MF28 has 15 seconds left to act
MF28 calls $16

[MrMxyztplk]

Looks fine. More aggression might be warranted on turn or river, but it might not...

[Marshall28]

what im considering is whether i am ahead often enough to make this call on the river.

when i was sitting there thinking about it, i thought villains most likely holding was 36... but then i also thought that he would play a hand like 57 or 47 identically. anybody think this is a bad assumption? i suppose 77 is in his range also ...

[MrMxyztplk]

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what im considering is whether i am ahead often enough to make this call on the river.

when i was sitting there thinking about it, i thought villains most likely holding was 36... but then i also thought that he would play a hand like 57 or 47 identically. anybody think this is a bad assumption? i suppose 77 is in his range also ...

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Slap yourself for even thinking about folding this river.

[Marshall28]

id maybe like an opinion from someone who knows what they are talking about

[MrMxyztplk]

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id maybe like an opinion from someone who knows what they are talking about

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Ouch.

Dude, think about it. If you fold two pair every time some guy shows aggression, you won't be making much. This is a very strong hand given this board. Look him up. If he beats you, fine. Find out what he beat you with and how he played it. Make a note and move on.

[Marshall28]

are you disputing that the 7 didnt help him? ... if thats your claim, he has to have complete air or he slowplayed a big one on the flop. considering the flush and straight draw out there, i think its extremely doubtful he slowplayed a set.

therefore, if the 7 helped him, what hand could he have? ... 47, 57, 36, 68, 77 ...im beating only two of those, and i think its even less likely he plays the 2 pr hands as fast as he did.

[MrMxyztplk]

What about AA, KK that missed a LRR. Or bluffs from all the draws that missed? Or Q4, or Q5, of J4 or J5 that tried to get smart and semi-bluff raise you on the turn?

I wouldn't overthink this. If you really think this is a bad call, then fine: don't call. I think that would be a big mistake though.

[Supwithbates]

i agree with mr myxltopl or whatever

[Vyse]

This guy is a huge nit and plz convert