$50NL Folding QQ preflop?

[AliasMrJones]

Villain was 61/8/2 over 300 hands.

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BB ($26.75)
UTG ($45.85)
AliasMrJones ($50.85)
Button ($99.95)
SB ($47.50)

Preflop: AliasMrJones is MP with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $2.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">AliasMrJones raises to $5.5</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $12.5</font>, AliasMrJones ???

[Vyse]

Ez fold, looks like a suck raise

[BishopsFinger]

Dump it i think. theres no use in seeing a flop and i dont want to push with this hand with this action. muck it

[Triggerle]

Why do you minraise? Raise to $8. If he raises that you can fold.

[avfletch]

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Why do you minraise? Raise to $8. If he raises that you can fold.

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I agree. This 4bet could easily be someone who doesn't believe your min raise and is betting for information.

[MortenTA]

whats up with your small reraise.. pop it to 7$ here

[AliasMrJones]

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Why do you minraise? Raise to $8. If he raises that you can fold.

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It was a mis-click.

[Thremp]

Yeah, EZ fold FWIW.

The advice above is why 4betting with a fairly tight range rocks.

[Foodchain]

Standard fold. UTG very often has {AA, KK, AK}.

[freedom18]

wow cant believe everuone said fold, this is the easiest call ever... u have stacking odds even just on preflop money what is everyone thinking /images/graemlins/frown.gif?

[luckbalks]

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wow cant believe everuone said fold, this is the easiest call ever... u have stacking odds even just on preflop money what is everyone thinking /images/graemlins/frown.gif?

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Are you saying that you want to try and flop a set here? What if the flop is rags like 22J then what?

[Thremp]

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wow cant believe everuone said fold, this is the easiest call ever... u have stacking odds even just on preflop money what is everyone thinking /images/graemlins/frown.gif?

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Are you saying that you want to try and flop a set here? What if the flop is rags like 22J then what?

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hah. You take it down v AK and lose to AA/KK and stack off on every Axx Kxx flop when you call.

[freedom18]

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wow cant believe everuone said fold, this is the easiest call ever... u have stacking odds even just on preflop money what is everyone thinking /images/graemlins/frown.gif?

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Are you saying that you want to try and flop a set here? What if the flop is rags like 22J then what?

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yes, we are a 1/5 dog pf vs AA KK, if flop is rags we can either A. stick with our read and just c/f or B. bet 2/3ish and see his action, if he does anything besides fold we are obv beat

[Thremp]

freedom,

That is horrid.

[luckbalks]

perhaps I'm incapable of just check folding a flop with no overcards on it like 22J when I have QQ. Plus given the preflop action villain is going to betting into you on the flop so unless you have set you have a hard decision.

[freedom18]

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freedom,
Plan B is horrid.

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FYP, honestly the guy has 45 dollar stack we invested 5.5 so that makes the total 'pool' to be 50 dollars, and he is giving us 1:7 odds to call given that we only have to call 7 to try to win 57. It is slightly -EV if villan does not take this to the felt 100% therefore making this theory wrong, that is the only way I can see this not worth it to call.

[Thremp]

Freedom,

I don't know what to say other than... No?

[Triggerle]

You don't have the odds to call for set value. It's not even close. The only hand you have a chance against is AK. And who 4bets but not pushes with AK at NL50?

[Foodchain]

freedom: the odds for flopping a set is 8 to 1 so we need much larger stacks than this to justify a call. Now it is not even worth it if we stack him every time ...

[buffro]

I think of the times you make a set and he has a-k which a donktard like this guy will go broke with on a flop of 10-7-6 off you can make money remeber players like this arte very far from "THINKING" player like you and I.