Extremist Subcultures

[Evan]

I've always been really intrigued by any form of really atypical culture. KKK, Nazis, serial killers, whatever. It's got little to do with the actual values of the people involved, I just think it's fascinating how groups of people can end up so far removed from the rest of the world.

There are lots of really cool TV shows about this stuff and lately I've come across some pretty interesting forums/blogs online. Astroglide recently posted in OOT about stripper forums (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=exchange&Number=8668260). Tonight there was a post about bestiality forums (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=9413255&an=0&page=0#Post 9413255). The bestiality thing is a little too gross to really read a lot about it, but it's still pretty wild to realize there is such a big group of people having sex with their dogs.


Does anyone have links or TV show recommendations for things like this? I assume other people are interested in these kinds of things. I've always thought cults were really interesting but I've never seen a really good show on it. That seems like the sort of thing Discovery or TLC would have but I've just missed. The Wikipedia article on Jonestown (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonestown) is really cool and a good read.


Okay, so hit me with your best examples of wild and fascinating subcultures.

Edit: It doesn't actually have to be all that wild compared to "normal" social behavior. Strippers, for example, aren't so out there. More important is some facet of society that most of us just have no intimate experience with. More often than not that's something that tends to be on the insane side of things, btu I guess that's not really a requirement.

[lapoker17]

what about the aryan nation? i'm always intrigued by those psychos. there's a show about them coming on natl geographic channel sometime in the next few days.

[Neuge]

This (http://pub13.bravenet.com/forum/1042806729/) is by far the most disturbing forum I've ever found. They aren't psychos or in any way harming people, but the amount of psychological damage these people must have sustained is mind-boggling. And even the source of that damage had to be severely abnormal.

[Evan]

lapoker, that's exactly what I'm talking about. The white supremacy folks are some of the most interesting because they're typically really outspoken so you get a nice big dose of their insanity.

neuge, istewart? (http://pub13.bravenet.com/forum/1042806729/fetch/605479/)

[Neuge]

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neuge, istewart? (http://pub13.bravenet.com/forum/1042806729/fetch/605479/)

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I don't get the reference to iStewart, but I do have a favorite post on that forum. I may be leveled here, but this (http://pub13.bravenet.com/forum/1042806729/fetch/405513) post is one of the saddest, most pathetic, and funniest things I've ever read.

[TheCommieBear]

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Nazis, serial killers,

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I think you need to understand the definition of a subculture. This is a topic that interest me a lot but you don't seem to want discuss subcultures at all?

Maybe change your title to "non-conformative sexual and criminal behaviours & political views"?

Anyway im off to bed after 36 hours awake!

Peace

[contortionist]

militias. what about them? like the michigan militia or something along those lines. also, the mormons are pretty weird

[russellmj]

I've never understood the whole body modification culture. Or how it can be an actual lifestyle, which it appears to be for many. It seems as if they want to separate themselves, yet still belong to a community.

[Evan]

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Nazis, serial killers,

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I think you need to understand the definition of a subculture. This is a topic that interest me a lot but you don't seem to want discuss subcultures at all?

Maybe change your title to "non-conformative sexual and criminal behaviours & political views"?

Anyway im off to bed after 36 hours awake!

Peace

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From my post:

"Edit: It doesn't actually have to be all that wild compared to "normal" social behavior. Strippers, for example, aren't so out there. More important is some facet of society that most of us just have no intimate experience with. More often than not that's something that tends to be on the insane side of things, btu I guess that's not really a requirement."

Why don't you give me some examples that better fit the word "subculture."

[AJackson]

I don't know about sub-culture, but put this under weird interests: www.popthatzit.com (http://www.popthatzit.com)

I'm both intriged and repelled at the same time.

[guids]

Serial Killers arent really a subculture, a few examples of subcultures:

bikers
punk rockers
goths etc


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_subcultures

a list.

[Evan]

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Serial Killers arent really a subculture, a few examples of subcultures:

bikers
punk rockers
goths etc


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_subcultures

a list.

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Okay, thank you. I think it's been established well enough that subculture != stuff in my post.

[ShakeZula06]

Anarchocapitalists are pretty wierd yet intriguing.

[guids]

Hackers, phreaks are also subcultures, I guess at one point I was part of that subculture, Hacker =! goths or matrix wannabes though, I mean there are some kids that are like that but the majority of the kids that are into this stuff are fairly normal appearence-wise. Imo, a lot of subcultures are full of immature people and generally when you master/know everythign about the subject of the particular subculture it gets really tiresome, and you grow out of it.

[bkholdem]

Fender Lizzards

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Swingers

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Size queens

[bkholdem]

Cum Freaks

[Tonding]

Here are some links to Google videos:
The Arian National Front (http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=3844699896127381386)
Very disturbing views they have.

And one about The Iceman. A mafia killer who talks about killing people like it's an everyday job.
Part1 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5740692213665972395)
Part2 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5116812489134120077)

[JuntMonkey]

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Hackers, phreaks are also subcultures, I guess at one point I was part of that subculture, Hacker =! goths or matrix wannabes though, I mean there are some kids that are like that but the majority of the kids that are into this stuff are fairly normal appearence-wise. Imo, a lot of subcultures are full of immature people and generally when you master/know everythign about the subject of the particular subculture it gets really tiresome, and you grow out of it.

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"Stealing" AOL accounts as a teenager in the mid-90's was phenomenal.

[SMB]

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what about the aryan nation? i'm always intrigued by those psychos. there's a show about them coming on natl geographic channel sometime in the next few days.

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The show was OK. They mainly focused on 2 members who turned against them and were willing to be interviewed while still in prison. Their main point was that it is much more of a drug gang than a white-power gang. These guys said the violence got out of control after they started going after peoples' families on the outside. There was also a cool part about how the feds cracked coded letters they intercepted.

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Here are some links to Google videos:
The Arian National Front (http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=3844699896127381386)
Very disturbing views they have.


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I feel like puking.

[guids]

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Here are some links to Google videos:
The Arian National Front (http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=3844699896127381386)
Very disturbing views they have.


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I feel like puking.

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nutjobs. but what was with all these guys, shirts off, shaved heads, fatigues for clothes, or nazi t-shirts etc, then you have the one dude in a yellow collared shirt and maroon shorts?

[Cornell Fiji]

I am surprised that it hasn't been said yet but the people on THIS FORUM (http://www.twoplustwo.com) definitely have an odd subculture to them.

[Evan]

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I am surprised that it hasn't been said yet but the people on THIS FORUM (http://www.twoplustwo.com) definitely have an odd subculture to them.

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That is absolutely true. I'm sure most of the groups I find interesting don't think they're particularly noteworthy. It's all in how far removed they are from your own life. Unfortunately, maybe, 2+2 is not very far removed from mine.

[Thremp]

Hippies, Goths.

They're all mega sheep.

[Anacardo]

I am an extremist subculture unto myself.

[NT!]

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I am an extremist subculture unto myself.

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no you just wish you were dude

[turnipmonster]

I always thought the different factions of skinheads were interesting, as well as all the subgroups (SHARP, ARA, etc). I saw a few skins the other day, haven't seen any in forever.

[ImsaKidd]

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Here are some links to Google videos:
The Arian National Front (http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=3844699896127381386)
Very disturbing views they have.

And one about The Iceman. A mafia killer who talks about killing people like it's an everyday job.
Part1 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5740692213665972395)
Part2 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5116812489134120077)

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Iceman videos are very interesting.

[jtr]

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but what was with all these guys, shirts off, shaved heads, fatigues for clothes, or nazi t-shirts etc, then you have the one dude in a yellow collared shirt and maroon shorts?

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I bet he's the real hardman. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[MTUCache]

Six letters: NAMBLA

Mind. Boggling.

[jba]

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also, the mormons are pretty weird

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in what way? they are kinda peculiar but honestly not much more than any other religion, christian or otherwise.

[bkholdem]

Amish

[wet work]

I started seeing Grateful Dead shows in 1985 and consider that world a subculture. I've seen about 250 dead shows and that's not including all the JGB shows various side projects and a decent amount of shows since Jerry Died. Being a part of that world I saw shows in nearly all 50 states and some foreign countries, saw the world so to speak. I've met and hung out with some incredibly amazing and cool people because of it. And also a lot of very talented people, some even historically signifcant like Owlsley and Sasha Shulgin as well as a few band members and crew. One of my good friends was a road manager for a while. He also worked for The Band, P-Funk, Ziggy Marley and Phish. And those friendships lead to connections to other interesting places and people.

My second daughter was coinceived at the Family Reunion at Alpine Valley, probably on the day the rainbow came down out of the sky perfectly on the hill behind the amphitheatre.


All around it's been a positive part of my life, having been a part of that subculture that is. I don't know about you but I think it's pretty cool knowing there is a whole group of like-minded people out there and you can just become a part of it. All through a common interest in a band. Everything else kind of connects outside of that and the thing that holds it all together is the music and the people.

[JaredL]

My wife and I have considered doing a documentary of drum and bugle corps, such as the Concord Blue Devils (http://www.bluedevils.org). My mom grew up in Concord and I have a couple second cousins that were in it a few years ago. My mom's cousin (we need a word to describe this relationship btw) went along their tour of the US. She did a lot of stuff to help, a lot of sewing of their uniforms (everyone loses a lot of weight during the tour), cooking and things like that. I was an undergrad when I went to a show near where I lived (Eugene, OR). Before that I had no idea. There are thousands of people in the US and around the world that are really into it.

Another subculture I'm interested in are ultras. They would usually be referred to in English as hooligans but that's not quite right. In Spanish they use the word Ultras to describe members of the hardcore supporters group of a club. They are the guys that organize any tifo's (huge flags or sign displays), they generate an overwhelming majority of chants throughout a game (sort of grass-roots cheerleading), and are the guys that will go to away games. Unfortunately they are also usually the people that cause problems such as violence toward policemen and opposing fans and hitting players with objects.

[wet work]

I find the soccer hooligans fascinating as well.