Over 2 buy-ins deep, tough tough turn spot

[Marshall28]

i didnt have any reads on this guy. i probly should have but i wasnt paying enough attention i guess.

obviously i probably shouldnt be calling pf raise w/ AJo, and i probably should have raised more on the flop.

Seat 1: SilentAssassin3 ($49.15)
Seat 2: Phartzalot ($138.95)
Seat 3: MF28 ($126.20)
Seat 4: jdbowers83 ($38.25)
Seat 5: yanksfan6213 ($19.50)
Seat 6: TheNinjaTurtle ($50)
TheNinjaTurtle: queens yeah?
jdbowers83 posts the small blind of $0.25
yanksfan6213 posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MF28 [Ac Js]
TheNinjaTurtle folds
MF28: kq
SilentAssassin3 folds
Phartzalot raises to $1.75
MF28 calls $1.75
jdbowers83 folds
yanksfan6213 folds
*** FLOP *** [7c Jh 2c]
TheNinjaTurtle: lol yah
Phartzalot bets $4.25
MF28 raises to $13
Phartzalot calls $8.75
*** TURN *** [7c Jh 2c] [Jc]
Phartzalot bets $124.20, and is all in
MF28 folds

[Genz]

Without stats or a read, I don't call raises with AJo. Being in position makes this play a little better. But if you think you are ahead of his range and he raises light, you should use your position to bully him out and reraise and not give him a look at the flop. But that is not my standard line against an unknown.

Turn is weird. This is a massive overbet. He bets like 4x the pot. You have a great redraw if he has a flush. J7 and J2 are rather unlikely considering his PFR. 77, 22 are good guesses. It would be really neat to know how villain got to be 200 BBs deep. I don't mind the fold. But I think there is a very good chance that he is full of it here or has a worse J like JT, QJ etc.

[JP9]

If I'm going to play AJ on the button to a raiser I will r.r most of the time to get a better understanding of where I’m at.

As played, it's a fold without any reads.

We're going to be shown AKc full house a good % of the time. I don’t want to go broke this deep and hope to be shown KJ qq-aa

[Marshall28]

i shoulda tried to make a read based on his name ... phartzalot ... lol

[Check_The_Nuts]

lol misread hand, sorry. Yeah fold turn :/

[JP9]

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wow your turn play is terrible 200BB deep.

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why?

[Marshall28]

no one will lobby for a call in this spot?

[Genz]

Well, not without a read. He either wants to bully you out or he thinks: I have the nuts, I go all-in or he has a very good hand and thinks you will call anything and just pushes. 2 of those alternatives aren't good for you. That's why I said it'd be neat to know how he got his stack. If you were shorter, you could assume that he is bullying you with more ease. But you are very deep as well. So if he doesn't think you are scared to lose your stack, he probably wants your monies. And the board is so coordinated, that it would be a really couragous bluff.

So fold and watch him closely if he is one of those guys who just overbet any pot with anything to bully people around.

[Triggerle]

I'm not too confident this deep but I would have a hard time folding with the A/images/graemlins/club.gif.

I'm in the camp for 3betting this pf FWIW.

[Marshall28]

he left a few hands after this one. like i said earlier, i should have had a read on him if we both have 2 buy ins since i should have been paying enough attention to have some kind of line on how he plays.

i know though that just in general players arent good at playing deepstacked and they make spewy shoves because they are afraid of playing anymore poker. i feel theres a strong psosibility he has something like QQ KK or AA here, saw the 2nd jack on the turn, got scared and open shoved.

of course i guess i cant know though since i dont know whether or not hes a good player. woulda been nice to have the read at the time.

for just 1 buy in im insta calling.

[Check_The_Nuts]

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of course i guess i cant know though since i dont know whether or not hes a good player. woulda been nice to have the read at the time.

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a good player wouldn't open shove that turn.

[Marshall28]

if he has 77 or 22, i think he would.

[Marshall28]

well, not necessarily would, but definitely would be capable of it. however, a bad player is capable of shoving w/ much weaker hands out of fear.

[matrix]

callcallcallcallcallcallcall.....

i) why are you calling preflop with AJ if you are going to fold trips/tk?
ii) what kind of turn card are you hoping to see? if you are calling the flop raise to fold the turn to a J then just fold the flop.
iii) that bet smells fishy - he has QQ+ here lots or a worse Jack and J2/J7 just don't make a lot of sense.
iv) we got redraws out of our ears as we have A/images/graemlins/club.gif

super insta-call.

calling preflop is fine seeing as you are both deep.

and PLEASE convert the hands you post ...

[Marshall28]

...i raised the flop

[Vyse]

I call, and convert next time

[matrix]

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...i raised the flop

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sorry I misread the action because my eyes were bleeding.

if the convertor isn't working then at the very least manually edit it so that it's a little easier to read.

it's still a call imo.