TT river

[baronzeus]

Button coldcaller is solid, slightly on the loose side preflop. SB is a complete retard donk. His range preflop is any 2 and his range postflop is any 2. BB is theCount1729, decent but not great.

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Preflop: Hero is MP with T/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (8 BB) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

River: (16 BB) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks intending to reevaluate depending on if button bets

[poker1O1]

Not really sure what to put button on here. I think I like a river bet here though. You've been successfully aggressive so far and no reason to give up.

[DeezNutz3]

Baron,
I was watching this hand, and I really like the entire hand. The K looks like a bad river and especially if someone had KQcc. I know two of the hands that got shown, but what was the 3rd hand? Keep up the solid play.

Donny

[baronzeus]

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Baron,
I was watching this hand, and I really like the entire hand. The K looks like a bad river and especially if someone had KQcc. I know two of the hands that got shown, but what was the 3rd hand? Keep up the solid play.


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Edit: PMed you

[Paluka]

I would check and call the river. I don't think I would fold even if I was the 4th one in the pot.
I can't believe the sb doesn't have the 6. I expected him to 3 bet the turn.

[baronzeus]

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I can't believe the sb doesn't have the 6. I expected him to 3 bet the turn.

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Just an FYI, SB is the biggest, most retarded donk that's ever lived.

[Steve Giufre]

Yes he is pretty retarded. Thats another reason why I think you have to be the river. If he has any peice of this you are gonna paid on the end. The pot has also just become so big that I think theres a decent chance you could be called in a another spot as well. Im not in love with king, but I really think this is a bet. AK isnt there, and I dont think anybody, excpet the sb who still has a failry random hand, can have something like KQ, KJ etc. You have put in enough action in this hand that is anyone does have say Kx of clubs, there is no way you are getting checkraised on the river. Nobody with a king is going to want to put themsleves in a situation where they have to put 1800 in on thr river with that hand, and the pot is too big to CR and fold to a three bet. However, I do think its failry like if the king did hit anybody, there is a good chance they would have led at the river the way this game was playing. Close eyes and click bet for sure. Glad to see you are doing well.

[tmfs]

Baron,

I just peek in from time to time when the game is running, and I think it was yesterday where the he sits out, then the entire table sits out until he comes back. Maybe yall shouldn't make it soooo obvious that the only reason the game is going is because of him. It can't make him want to come back.

[ggbman]

Given the descpriptions, the river seems like an easy bet. If the button had some KcXc draw that got there on the river, he probably will go for overcalls if you bet and not raise. If you check to him though, he definitly bets a king. Also, when he has like 88-99 you can get the extra bet, and if the SB sucks as much as you say he does, all the more reason the bet the river since he will overcall with [censored] hands.

[Steve Giufre]

Barron,

I was thinking you were last to act when I replied before. However I still think its a bet. The button wont check a king behind, he will never check a better hand behind, and you have to call anyway. I dont think the button will raise even if he does have Kx of clubs here.

[baronzeus]

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Barron,

I was thinking you were last to act when I replied before. However I still think its a bet. The button wont check a king behind, he will never check a better hand behind, and you have to call anyway. I dont think the button will raise even if he does have Kx of clubs here.

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I think button doesn't bet worse than a King here, and therefore I can checkfold in many cases. Anyone else agree?

If I am 100% committed to showdown, then I agree, betting is easily the best of the 3 options.


Edit: Steve, were you playing in this game?

[baronzeus]

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I just peek in from time to time when the game is running, and I think it was yesterday where the he sits out, then the entire table sits out until he comes back. Maybe yall shouldn't make it soooo obvious that the only reason the game is going is because of him. It can't make him want to come back.

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Well, the problem is that sitting with 3 or 4 other decent players is just bad. And I'm almost positive he knows he's a huge fish.

[Schneids]

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Baron,

I just peek in from time to time when the game is running, and I think it was yesterday where the he sits out, then the entire table sits out until he comes back. Maybe yall shouldn't make it soooo obvious that the only reason the game is going is because of him. It can't make him want to come back.

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This is very common online at high stakes. Most of the bad players are either oblivious, or the more common case, they are smart enough to realize they are the reason the game is going and they simply do not care that's the case. They want to play high stakes for the entertainment and chance to "test" themselves vs the best.

[Steve Giufre]

It was me today, yesterday no. Anyway I dont think Im comfortable check folding if the button bets. I think there is a good enough chance he tries to value bet something like the 9 /images/graemlins/club.gif, or runs a rare bluff to make it a call. But mainly I just know I'll sleep better calling in this spot. You bring up an interesting point though, it has to be close, thats an ugly spot to run a bluff.

[SpaceAce]

Not that these opponents are necessarily anything like the people I play against, but I like a bet. The reason is simple: with that board and all those players still in, when I check-call I am good like never but when I bet and get called, I am ahead plenty of times. I think random Kings and busted draws are really unlikely to bluff-raise your river bet but if you check, all kinds of weird [censored] can happen. I want to show this down given the way the hand played out.

SpaceAce

[baronzeus]

I think I agree that it's a river bet.

Can I just say, the funniest part of this hand is that SB had J8o. I mean, seriously. W. T. F. &lt;3 SB!!!

[J_V]

I kind've agree. Schneids is right in that he knows he's a fish and that it probably doesn't matter. But just in case it might we should play a few minutes. As it stands though, most guys don't want to play heads up against the specialists, for example, neverwin or thecount, and if you are not willing to do this, your only choice is to sit out. For me, playing heads up with either of these guys with almost no experience (even for 10 minutes) is lighting a good amount of theoretical money on fire.