Help me understand OOT ( Warning boring Global warming issues ) NSFW

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This morning I met a friend for brunch. She is one of those "I know it all and even when Im wrong you better agree with me" type. Somehow we ended up having a discussion on Global warming. She recently watched Al Gore's movie.. and jumped on the bandwagon that MAN is evil we're causing the build up of greenhouse gases and we're all going to die in 10 years !! So I was trying to explain to her that its not as bad as he makes it seem out to be, infact he's wrong about a lot of things.

Second thing we got into an arguement about is OIL. Whether we're running out or the so called "shortage" is actually just BIG OIL's way of controlling supply and demand.


Anyway Im looking for your opinion on these two issues.

[TheBlueMonster]

global warming is caused by Manbearpig. He's half man, half bear and half pig.

[lippy]

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[Patrick del Poker Grande]

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global warming is caused by Manbearpig. He's half man, half bear and half pig.

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No he's not. He's half man and half bearpig.

[4_2_it]

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and jumped on the bandwagon that MAN is evil we're causing the build up of greenhouse gases and we're all going to die in 10 years !!

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When she says this the correct response is, "I'm scared. Hold me you sexy hippy treehugger."

[Skoob]

Get some new friends.

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and jumped on the bandwagon that MAN is evil we're causing the build up of greenhouse gases and we're all going to die in 10 years !!

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When she says this the correct response is, "I'm scared. Hold me you sexy hippy treehugger."

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Yea I cant believe I didnt think of that..
Anyway since Im not gonna get too many serious responses to this stupid thread.. I think Im just going to go post pictures of a whole of bunch of hippie chicks to keep this thread interesting..

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http://www.veronika-zemanova.com/freezone/images/theme-samples/hippie-chicks.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e332/silverbackjonz/OzzFestChica000main000.jpg

[TheBlueMonster]

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http://books4u92.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/sam1.jpg.w300h453.jpg


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ewwww

[DrewDevil]

http://junkscience.com/ gives you a lot of ammo to fight GW hysteria.

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http://www.spatcave.com/halloween2001/Pa310053.JPG
http://www.retrochicks.com/retrochicks.jpg
While searching for pics came across this stupid video (http://www.idleriot.com/media/videos/3561/Two_Black_Kids_Fist_Fight.html)

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http://junkscience.com/ gives you a lot of ammo to fight GW hysteria.

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I actually mentioned that site.. and she goes, "Now you're gonna believe something you read on a site called "Junkscience" She also told me to check out this article in National Geographic (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/05/060524-global-warming.html)
I read both, I hate the fact that the whole GW issue has become a BIG useless debate.

[Felix_Nietzsche]

Short Answer: We will NEVER-NEVER-EVER run out of oil.
We may run out of CHEAP oil but as long as their is a demand for oil, there will ALWAYS be oil.

1st: You can take coal and add hydrogen to make oil. This technology was developed by Germany during WW2 and SASOL of South Africa uses this method to make oil.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sasol

2nd You can make oil from oil shale.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_shale

There are two main barriers from more widespread use of using coal and oil shale to meet our energy needs.
1. Mideast oil is cheaper.
2. The high capital cost of building a coal-to-oil plant.

I've seen claims that you can profitably build a coal-to-oil plant if oil stays above $40 a barrel. The risk is if you build a coal-to-oil plant and the price falls to below $40, then the company that builds the plant risks bankrupcy... In South Dakota they built a coal-to-methane plant and they are making money hand-over-fist. And the USA has plenty of coal and oil shale....

The OPEC cartel has to be very careful to keep the price of oil from going too high otherwise they risk competition from companies like SASOL. If the price of oil gets too high, entrepreneuers with deep pockets can make some nice bank by building a coal-to-oil plant.

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^^ thanks Felix..

Btw.. any insight in the surge of prices for Uranium? Arguement I heard is that since OIL is running out everyone is in the process of building nuclear reactors.. China and India have 7 in the works..

[DrewDevil]

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http://junkscience.com/ gives you a lot of ammo to fight GW hysteria.

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I actually mentioned that site.. and she goes, "Now you're gonna believe something you read on a site called "Junkscience" She also told me to check out this article in National Geographic (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/05/060524-global-warming.html)
I read both, I hate the fact that the whole GW issue has become a BIG useless debate.

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That is stupid, the site's name doesn't have anything to do with whether the content is accurate or not. She sounds close-minded, so just blow her off or give her a donkey punch or something.

[Dids]

Thread is useless without wacki.

OP, this is actually a reasonably good place to ask this question, since a few posters are way into this stuff. There's a good discussion on this that Borodog start in the El Diablo forum.

[guids]

They should confiscate the profits of big oil, and force them to do research to stop global warming, and finding alternate energy sources.

[Felix_Nietzsche]

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Btw.. any insight in the surge of prices for Uranium? Arguement I heard is that since OIL is running out everyone is in the process of building nuclear reactors.. China and India have 7 in the works..

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Obviously you can't use uranium to fuel your car so I would argue the price of uranium is largely independent of the availability of oil. Coal-fired electricity plant dirties the air and upsets people like Al Gore who claims CO2 causes global warming. Nuclear generated electricity keeps the air cleaner and its waste comes in a very compact form.

I think nuclear energy is becoming more acceptable these days as oppose to the 1970s where there was a lot of hype of the dangers of nuclear power.

[ChrisAJ]

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This morning I met a friend for brunch. She is one of those "I know it all and even when Im wrong you better agree with me" type. Somehow we ended up having a discussion on Global warming. She recently watched Al Gore's movie.. and jumped on the bandwagon that MAN is evil we're causing the build up of greenhouse gases and we're all going to die in 10 years !! So I was trying to explain to her that its not as bad as he makes it seem out to be, infact he's wrong about a lot of things.

Second thing we got into an arguement about is OIL. Whether we're running out or the so called "shortage" is actually just BIG OIL's way of controlling supply and demand.


Anyway Im looking for your opinion on these two issues.

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What shortage?

Global production = 85 million barrels per day.
Global consumption = 84 million barrels per day.
Global reserves = 1.3 trillion barrels (proved reserves)

[Mickey Brausch]

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We will NEVER-NEVER-EVER run out of oil.
We may run out of CHEAP oil but as long as their is a demand for oil, there will ALWAYS be oil.

[/ QUOTE ]How can a finite mass be also infinite?

Are you drunk?

[John Feeney]

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How can a finite mass be also infinite?

Are you drunk?

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Mickey,

You may already have noticed; there are shockingly large numbers of inebriated citizens walking around out there. Many have latched on to this "finite things are infinite" thingy. I'm wondering if it's psychedelics.

[jws43yale]

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We will NEVER-NEVER-EVER run out of oil.
We may run out of CHEAP oil but as long as their is a demand for oil, there will ALWAYS be oil.

[/ QUOTE ]How can a finite mass be also infinite?

Are you drunk?

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It is a relative answer. It is not infinite, but we will never use it up due to the fact that the scarcer it gets, the higher the price. If there were only 100 barrels left in the world, the price would be so high no-one could afford to actualy use it.

[51cards]

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We will NEVER-NEVER-EVER run out of oil.
We may run out of CHEAP oil but as long as their is a demand for oil, there will ALWAYS be oil.

[/ QUOTE ]How can a finite mass be also infinite?

Are you drunk?

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It is a relative answer. It is not infinite, but we will never use it up due to the fact that the scarcer it gets, the higher the price. If there were only 100 barrels left in the world, the price would be so high no-one could afford to actualy use it.

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Whew, that's good. I thought we were going to run out there for a minute.

[Phil153]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_oil is a great place to start.

Expert opinion is that oil production has peaked or will peak in a few years. This will be very bad for developed economies if nothing is done, and nothing is being done.

I don't agree with the Doomsday scenarios some follow but make no mistake, oil production will peak soon and then go into decline, and fairly bad economic effects will be felt around the world.

[almostbusto]

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They should confiscate the profits of big oil, and force them to do research to stop global warming, and finding alternate energy sources.

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finally a rational solution, theft and slavery fix everything

[ChrisV]

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1st: You can take coal and add hydrogen to make oil. This technology was developed by Germany during WW2 and SASOL of South Africa uses this method to make oil.

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Where do you get the hydrogen from?

[ChrisV]

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http://junkscience.com/ gives you a lot of ammo to fight GW hysteria.

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I actually mentioned that site.. and she goes, "Now you're gonna believe something you read on a site called "Junkscience" She also told me to check out this article in National Geographic (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/05/060524-global-warming.html)
I read both, I hate the fact that the whole GW issue has become a BIG useless debate.

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Junkscience is a worthless site. Steven Milloy, who runs the site, is a politically motivated and paid lobbyist. See here (http://timlambert.org/category/science/milloy/) for more on Milloy.

[Borodog]

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All government employees, including scientists, are all politically motivated and paid lobbyists.

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[AvivaSimplex]

If only there were a forum dedicated to idiots shouting their talking points at each other...

[Mickey Brausch]

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[Petroleum] is not infinite, but we will never use it up due to the fact that the scarcer it gets, the higher the price. If there were only 100 barrels left in the world, the price would be so high no-one could afford to actualy use it.

[/ QUOTE ]In the run-up to petroleum getting so scarce as to be approaching a total of 100 barrels, do you suppose that people will continue to use it up at its obviously rapidly rising price -- or that people will be forced early enough in the climb to look elsewhere?

It just might be that those 100 barrels of oil will be indeed priced highly enough, although not as a scarce natural resource but as a precious relic; something like the price for the only extant remains of a complete brontosaurus.

In the oil business, a petroleum product in an installation is said to be "No Longer Available" NOT when it reaches zero tons, but when it drops at the "Unpumpable" level. In so many words, oil <u>is</u> finite, whether that means (a) it's no longer in pumpable quantities, (b) it's too expensive, or (c) the physical reservoirs have been completely emptied.

But let's not digress. For the persistent efforts of Felix, and the other hyper-mathematicians in this thread, I wanna thank 'em all for giving us a real life example of an infinite quantity; I'll let you figure out what that was.

Mickey Brausch

[ChrisV]

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All government employees, including scientists, are all politically motivated and paid lobbyists.

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Don't be deliberately obtuse. There are endless examples of obvious bias in Milloy's work and that, not just who he receives money from, is what causes me to label him a lobbyist.

[Felix_Nietzsche]

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Where do you get the hydrogen from?

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I believe they use H2O (water).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fischer-Tropsch_synthesis

[guids]

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They should confiscate the profits of big oil, and force them to do research to stop global warming, and finding alternate energy sources.

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finally a rational solution, theft and slavery fix everything

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I hate that this got moved, because I dont know who posts in smp, or if they know my views, but this was sarcasm, its something Hillary Clinton said a couple of months ago.

[CORed]

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Where do you get the hydrogen from?

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Coal gasification and liquefaction starts with te "water gas" reaction. When you react water (or steam) with burning coal. H20 + C -&gt; H2 + CO. You can then react the hydrogen with more coal to get methane (gas) or heavier hydrocarbons (oil).

[pokerbobo]

First let me say Global Warming is nothing to worry about....long before the industrial revolution Greenland used to be a fertile farmland. The Earth goes thru cycles, and yes someday Siberia and Greenland will again be great fertile lands not frozen like Lambeau field in January.

Second of all...if you like the fight video there is an "underground" fighter named Kimbo. I saw his videos at sublimedirectory.com under "sublime fights" (its mostly a free porn site, but the fights were a bonus.) /images/graemlins/crazy.gif