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meleader2

02-27-2007, 01:03 AM

first hand at table with me in BB:

god dammit the formatting is wrong. i am in the BB though on this one.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($50)
SB ($83.55)
BB ($46.50)
UTG ($11.10)
MP ($54.80)
CO ($6.80)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif. Hero posts a blind of $0.50.
SB completes, 4 folds, Hero (poster) raises to $2.5, SB calls $2.

Flop: ($5.25) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $3.75, SB calls $3.75.

Turn: ($12.75) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $8, SB calls $8.

River: ($28.75) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $35.75 (All-In), SB calls $35.75.

Final Pot: $100.25

Results in white below: 
SB has Jc Kd (full house, aces full of jacks).
Hero has Ks Ac (four of a kind, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins $100.25. 

now the hand, with same villain. no reads, this is still the first orbit with me on the button:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($96.25)
SB ($43.30)
BB ($50)
UTG ($8.80)
MP ($53.80)
CO ($7.15)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
2 folds, CO calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($2) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
SB bets $0.5, BB folds, CO folds, Hero calls $0.50.

Turn: ($3) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
SB bets $0.5, Hero raises to $4.4, SB calls $3.90.

River: ($11.80) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
SB bets $5, Hero calls $5.

i'm assuming standard. i have always raised here and regretted it.

dirtysanchez

02-27-2007, 01:08 AM

i raise PF, as played rivre is a call i guess since if you raise you have to fold to a push

Panthro

02-27-2007, 01:13 AM

if you're raising it should be something like a minraise/fold line IMO.

KurtSF

02-27-2007, 01:49 AM

Nut straight not so hot with both a flush out and the board paired and the villain showing strength. Just call.

Big Poppa Smurf

02-27-2007, 02:20 AM

If you're thinking about just calling you should probably just go ahead and fold then right?

orange

02-27-2007, 02:29 AM

raise the river. this guy looks like a calling station. i would probably make a smallish raise, to like $11.

br.bm

02-27-2007, 02:44 AM

river call is fine

Hoffma

02-27-2007, 02:47 AM

This guy's inability to size a bet minimizes your losses when you just call and you're beaten. If he calls a push or a decent reraise, you're probably not getting paid off. If he 3bets, I'm not sure what I would do. I think he's trying to show aggression over the course of the hand, but doesn't know how to do so effectively. In light of all this, I'll take a cheap showdown with a 3rd or 4th best possible monster.

meleader2

02-27-2007, 08:39 AM

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This guy's inability to size a bet minimizes your losses when you just call and you're beaten. If he calls a push or a decent reraise, you're probably not getting paid off. If he 3bets, I'm not sure what I would do. I think he's trying to show aggression over the course of the hand, but doesn't know how to do so effectively. In light of all this, I'll take a cheap showdown with a 3rd or 4th best possible monster.

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that was my thoughts about his river bet. looked like it was begging a raise. he ended up having A8o for trip 8's, MHIG

i figured i could find a better spot later to stack him w/out a scary board

BobAllinSki

02-27-2007, 10:43 AM

I dont like min-raising and folding here, some of the times you get 3 bet and fold your hand will be good and the loss of equity in a $20 pot isnt worth the extra $5 you get when called, if you do raise make it more like $15 so at least your win is worth something, but its only the extreme donkishness of villain that makes a bet worth considering, against normal players I'd check call.

Noam Chomsky

02-27-2007, 11:19 AM

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some of the times you get 3 bet and fold your hand will be good

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Nobody is 3-bet shoving a worse hand than yours on this board, ever at any stakes.

Against this guy I think you're losing value here. I like a smallish raise to somewhere between 12-15.

I'd guess you get shoved over far less than 10%, you get called by a better hand maybe 20% but I really think you're good and get called by virtually every single worse hand this not so bright looking guy has like 70% of the time.

Against a good, solid, thinking opponent, (or even someone with one of these qualities) raising would probably be an ill advised bluff.

Don't push though.