$25NL 6max Standard Raise?

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Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Seat 1: SB ($25.35)
Seat 2: BB ($56.70)
Seat 3: UTG ($4.75)
Seat 4: UTG+1 ($27.25)
Seat 5: CO ($34.75)
Seat 6: Hero is Button ($46.70)
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, CO calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $1.5</font>, SB calls, BB calls, UTG folds, CO calls.

Flop: 2/images/graemlins/club.gif 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($6.25, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, CO checks, Hero checks.

Turn: J/images/graemlins/club.gif ($6.25, 4 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $0.25</font>, BB calls, CO calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $5.25

[matv]

I usually bet the flop but the turn raise is fine

[Check_The_Nuts]

meh probably 30/70-&gt;90/10 on this one. really depends how often they fold.

[Gelford]

PF is fine

Flop is fine

Turn is something you will have to explain, as I do not get it.

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PF is fine

Flop is fine

Turn is something you will have to explain, as I do not get it.

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Min-bet = weakness.

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PF is fine

Flop is fine

Turn is something you will have to explain, as I do not get it.

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Min-bet = weakness.

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And the two callers ?

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PF is fine

Flop is fine

Turn is something you will have to explain, as I do not get it.

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Min-bet = weakness.

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And the two callers ?

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Squeeze play? Same concept.

[Gelford]

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Squeeze play? Same concept.

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In principle I do agree, here I don't

Several things, one is that 25NL unknowns have been known to be retarded callings stations having so many in a raised pot kinda confirmes this.

Second, well ... 25NL'ers have been also known to not know how to valuebet and often slowplay too much.

And last, what hand could you hold that would be strong and yet check flop (AJ, KJ, QJ?) kinda thing ?


Perhaps you got away with this, but more often than not I am expecting one or several calls here. And shania does not really have to be pleased, your metagames does not need a bluff here.

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Squeeze play? Same concept.

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In principle I do agree, here I don't

Several things, one is that 25NL unknowns have been known to be retarded callings stations having so many in a raised pot kinda confirmes this.

Second, well ... 25NL'ers have been also known to not know how to valuebet and often slowplay too much.

And last, what hand could you hold that would be strong and yet check flop (AJ, KJ, QJ?) kinda thing ?


Perhaps you got away with this, but more often than not I am expecting one or several calls here. And shania does not really have to be pleased, your metagames does not need a bluff here.

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Picking up pots like this is what increases your winrate. This play will work 90% of the time.

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Squeeze play? Same concept.

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In principle I do agree, here I don't

Several things, one is that 25NL unknowns have been known to be retarded callings stations having so many in a raised pot kinda confirmes this.

Second, well ... 25NL'ers have been also known to not know how to valuebet and often slowplay too much.

And last, what hand could you hold that would be strong and yet check flop (AJ, KJ, QJ?) kinda thing ?


Perhaps you got away with this, but more often than not I am expecting one or several calls here. And shania does not really have to be pleased, your metagames does not need a bluff here.

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bolded part only matters against good hand readers (or at least decent ones. all we need here is an overcard to their PPs to scare people who look only at their hand and the board. these min-betting donks are not putting OP on a range.

all that said, this v v v thin, high variance but acceptable

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Picking up pots like this is what increases your winrate. This play will work 90% of the time.

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This is where we disagree, my estimation lies a lot lower than 90% /images/graemlins/smile.gif

This is uNL and not MSNL, the way we make money is mostly valuebetting and the way we spew is bluffing too much imho.

[freedom18]

25% of my bluffs work /images/graemlins/frown.gif aka not profitable T_T

[dirtysanchez]

just as a general PSA: the problem with bluffing at uNL is not that its entirely -EV, its that most uNL players dont bluff in the right spots vs the right players. although it is indeed true that there are less spots in uNL where bluffing will be profitable, bluffs should not be written off just b/c they are bluffs.

[haz31]

minbet is always always nothing, I'd agree I pick up almost 90% of minbet leads by a decent raise if not more.

[Sir Winalot]

I would just call preflop. I don't like the turn raise, this is 25nl and it's never going to work often enough to be +ev imo.

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I would just call preflop. I don't like the turn raise, this is 25nl and it's never going to work often enough to be +ev imo.

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raise&gt;calling when otb imo.