Flopped top set, villain plays back hard, 200bb deep

[b2l_cricket]

Ok. Villain is unknown. I haven't seen him play any huge pots yet. I have been getting good hands at this table and me seem like i am playing LAG. Is this an easy call or an easy fold?

Do you think 3betting the flop is better?


18:57:10 (ET)
Table: ROCKFORD (Real Money) Seat #1 is the dealer
Seat 1 - MOOSHOOBOO ($21.15 in chips)
Seat 2 - SGT4748 ($32.12 in chips)
Seat 3 - LAN905 ($69.80 in chips)
Seat 4 - MERAKECOW ($104.40 in chips)
Seat 5 - ENTHUSED ($145.46 in chips)
Seat 6 - MASON914 ($97.11 in chips)
SGT4748 - Posts small blind $0.25
LAN905 - Posts big blind $0.50
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to MERAKECOW [9d 9s]
MERAKECOW - Raises $1.50 to $1.50
ENTHUSED - Folds
MASON914 - Calls $1.50
MOOSHOOBOO - Calls $1.50
SGT4748 - Folds
LAN905 - Folds
*** FLOP *** [8s 7d 9c]
MERAKECOW - Bets $4
MASON914 - Raises $16 to $16
MOOSHOOBOO - Folds
MERAKECOW - Calls $12
*** TURN *** [8s 7d 9c] [Qd]
MERAKECOW - Checks
MASON914 - All-In $79.61

[Zagga]

I think you should call this. Hands with witch he could do this could be: 9T, 89, 78. TJ, AA, KK, QQ, JJ, TT, 88, 77, 66, 56. Only hands that beat you are TJ, QQ and 56 and against a straight you still have 10 outs on the river.

[orange]

3-bet this flop all day. deep stacks, plenty of scare cards, etc. 3-bet flop and call a shove.

i would call the turn, hoping he has AA/KK/2pair/QT/etc.

[ssdex]

i really think this is a bad spot for you this deep and honestly im getting away from this hand from time to time depending on what i know about villian...... yes he could have a worse hand but do some brief hand analysis and my guess is AA-QQ just about never....... J 10 is a suprememe possibility here and I dont know about you but I dont want to go into river for 160bb's a 2-1 dog. also 56 suited is not out of the question either and i think these are his two most likely holdings......... he will 3bet 7's and 8's here as well and possibly 10 10...... im instastacking off for anything less than 100bbs here, but 160 is going to require some thought and some knowledge about players before i get it in the middle with 99 on that board.

[dirtysanchez]

i dont think JT pushes overbet pushes here very often

[marvin_1935]

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3-bet this flop all day. deep stacks, plenty of scare cards, etc. 3-bet flop and call a shove.

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[Lordy]

Try to get it in on the flop. You're usually about 2-1 favorite against his range, and at worst you're a coinflip.

As played it's a meh spot. JT seems unlikely because I'd expect him to try to get as much value as possible, and this line just scares away 2pair and AA-KK.
I probably call, because I can't see JT doing this ever and it might even be a bluff/semi-bluff (TT, QT?)

[SnappyJoe]

And could you please convert the hand next time, you're making our eyes bleed.

[TheGrifter]

As others said 3-bet flop. He is more likely to have 2-pair/set/TT or JJ than a flopped str8. Your primary focus should be getting all the money in when he has those hands, if he has a str8 and wins - variance.

[AceLuby]

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i really think this is a bad spot for you this deep and honestly im getting away from this hand from time to time depending on what i know about villian...... yes he could have a worse hand but do some brief hand analysis and my guess is AA-QQ just about never....... J 10 is a suprememe possibility here and I dont know about you but I dont want to go into river for 160bb's a 2-1 dog. also 56 suited is not out of the question either and i think these are his two most likely holdings......... he will 3bet 7's and 8's here as well and possibly 10 10...... im instastacking off for anything less than 100bbs here, but 160 is going to require some thought and some knowledge about players before i get it in the middle with 99 on that board.

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This is wrong and I would expect JT,56, or QQ about 10% of the time. I'd expect to see some pair/draw combos, 2 pr, or lower sets more often than anything else. This is an instacall. Also, how do you figure JT is a supreme possibility? I would be very surprised to see JT played this fast (flopped nuts, not a whole lot of re-draws). Even if behind (which I wouldn't expect more than 20% of the time) we have outs to still win this pot.

[kbrat]

3bet the flop, you are way ahead of his range. Even if he has a straight you still have 7 outs on the flop and 10 on the turn

[Freelancer]

Meh I 3bet the flop here 80% of the time, on the turn snapcall...

[ssdex]

I just hate when everyone gets on here and is like snap call.......... If i am villian I am 3 bet shoving J 10 and 5 6 here like every time, and it is far from a coinflip against 9's, 9's are like 3-1 dog going into river.......... I am never shoving 9 10 if im villian and im very rarely bluffing here, and there is no way i cold called QQ pre flop....... the only hands we beat are 77 88 and draws......the only hand i would put villian on that is drawy here is probably JJ or 10 10 I'm just saying i think its J 10 here way more often then any of you give it credit and 160bb's is not your standard stack off, this is a marginal call...... not an instant one.... you have to know that villian is capable of making huge overbets and plays with very drawy hands, that is the only point where it is ever a snap call.......

[TheGrifter]

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I just hate when everyone gets on here and is like snap call.......... If i am villian I am 3 bet shoving J 10 and 5 6 here like every time, and it is far from a coinflip against 9's, 9's are like 3-1 dog going into river.......... I am never shoving 9 10 if im villian and im very rarely bluffing here, and there is no way i cold called QQ pre flop....... the only hands we beat are 77 88 and draws......the only hand i would put villian on that is drawy here is probably JJ or 10 10 I'm just saying i think its J 10 here way more often then any of you give it credit and 160bb's is not your standard stack off, this is a marginal call...... not an instant one.... you have to know that villian is capable of making huge overbets and plays with very drawy hands, that is the only point where it is ever a snap call.......

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Stop writing, start reading. You are wrong and the reasons have already been stated.

[toybux]

Calling his raise on the flop OOP is bad poker, you have to put in another bet here to like $45 or so. Pushing the flop is way better than calling it here, especially since so much of the deck is going to be scary.

[b2l_cricket]

Why is three betting the flop for value better than calling and then CRai on the turn?

[gumpzilla]

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Why is three betting the flop for value better than calling and then CRai on the turn?

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Because a ton of turns either kill your action (scare off your opponent) or allow potential draws to beat you. A hand like T9 could conceivably play it this way and just check behind on the turn for the free card, which would be bad news for you. Or, maybe a 6 comes and now KK doesn't pay you off, when it would have if you get the money in on the flop. And so on.

[TheGrifter]

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Calling his raise on the flop OOP is bad poker, you have to put in another bet here to like $45 or so. Pushing the flop is way better than calling it here, especially since so much of the deck is going to be scary.

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Yeah, isn't that what I said.