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halperin
02-23-2007, 07:04 PM
this guy pretty much insta called me each street so i put him on flush draw. i figured if i check river hes going to be no matter what. should i have folded?


Full Tilt Poker
$0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Ring Game
6 Players
LegoPoker Hand Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh)

<font color="black">Stack Sizes</font>
MP: $49
CO: $63.05
BTN: $27.25
Hero (SB): $70.55
BB: $35.7
UTG: $69.75

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> 8/images/graemlins/club.gif 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($0.75, 6 players)
UTG calls $0.50, MP folds, CO folds, BTN folds, Hero calls $0.25, BB checks

<font color="black">Flop:</font> 4/images/graemlins/club.gif 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif 6/images/graemlins/club.gif ($1.5, 3 players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $1.25</font>, BB calls $1.25, <font color="red">UTG raises to $2.50</font>, Hero calls $1.25, BB calls $1.25

<font color="black">Turn:</font> 4/images/graemlins/club.gif 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif 6/images/graemlins/club.gif [A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif] ($9, 3 players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $7</font>, BB calls $7, UTG folds

<font color="black">River:</font> 4/images/graemlins/club.gif 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif 6/images/graemlins/club.gif A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif [7/images/graemlins/spade.gif] ($23, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BB bets all in for $26.20</font>, Hero calls $26.20
VPIP100
02-23-2007, 07:07 PM
flushdraw with a 5 is not uncommon with this line. I would 3-bet flop and shoved turn
jonyy6788
02-23-2007, 07:07 PM
perfect....check to induce and instacall

and yes, reraise the flop
halperin
02-23-2007, 07:10 PM
wow dont knwo why i didnt 3bet on flop. not sur what i was thinking
creamfillin
02-23-2007, 07:12 PM
Reraiiiise that flop. Shove or at least pot the turn. As played call river.
dd323
02-23-2007, 07:13 PM
You want to stack this guy on the flop, right? There are $35 effective stacks that need to get in by the river in a $1.5 pot. You need to start building this on the flop better. You lead, which is good, but when he min-raises you, you should put in a real raise here.

Turn is good, but checking the river is really bad. He checks behind lots of 2 pair hands that could call you on the river, and you might have allowed yourself to get pushed off the best hand, because you obviously don't have a straight when you check the river after betting the whole way.

If I were to check the river it would be to induce a bluff from missed clubs (unless you think this guy doesn't bluff here). There are a ton of 2 pair hands that could also be betting for value here at 25NL.

Depending on the villian I think you could jsut push the river for value, or bet $10 and fold to a raise, or check/call anything..
Michael Fish
02-23-2007, 07:14 PM
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perfect....check to induce and instacall

and yes, reraise the flop

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This is good advice.
Imrahil
02-23-2007, 07:17 PM
I don't know why you call the flop. There are so many scare cards that can come on the turn. Just re-raise to like $9 on the flop. Pot the turn. You could bet $10 on the river and fold to a push.
creamfillin
02-23-2007, 07:22 PM
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You could bet $10 on the river and fold to a push.

[/ QUOTE ] IMO that would be really, really bad. You would be getting like 3:1 on the river to call and we have a set.
Imrahil
02-23-2007, 07:26 PM
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You could bet $10 on the river and fold to a push.

[/ QUOTE ] IMO that would be really, really bad. You would be getting like 3:1 on the river to call and we have a set.

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We're beat like 90% of the time here, maybe more.
dd323
02-23-2007, 07:29 PM
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You could bet $10 on the river and fold to a push.

[/ QUOTE ] IMO that would be really, really bad. You would be getting like 3:1 on the river to call and we have a set.

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I would never do that ever against any opponent that could ever jump on a weak bet and bluff. My default at 25NL would be to push here. I am saying some villians are so so so wimpy that they wouldn't raise ever without a straight. I would bet this much against some villians and instacall.

The point is, that it is a valid play.
dd323
02-23-2007, 07:30 PM
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You could bet $10 on the river and fold to a push.

[/ QUOTE ] IMO that would be really, really bad. You would be getting like 3:1 on the river to call and we have a set.

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you would also be getting way better than 3:1 to call on the river.
Imrahil
02-23-2007, 08:01 PM
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You could bet $10 on the river and fold to a push.

[/ QUOTE ] IMO that would be really, really bad. You would be getting like 3:1 on the river to call and we have a set.

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you would also be getting way better than 3:1 to call on the river.

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3.67 to 1. So we'd need to be good here at least 20% of the time.