NL50 - AQo vs Agrro Villain

[Maneh]

Villain is 35/29/6.5 (150)

Villain 3bet me many times when I try to steal, and are very aggro post flop too.

I think his 3 bet range is:
88+,ATs+,KTs+,QTs+,AJo+,KJo+,QJo

Looked back my hand, i think a push on flop is better than my raise.

Any toughts ?!

Someone like to 4bet in this spot ?!

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
4 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Stack sizes:
UTG: $47.40
Hero: $49
SB: $63.65
BB: $49.25

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif A/images/graemlins/club.gif
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $1.75</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $5.75</font>, BB folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif ($12, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $11.25</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $30</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $48.75</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero calls all-in $13.25</font>.
Uncalled bets: $5.5 returned to SB.

Turn: T/images/graemlins/club.gif ($98.5, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $98.5)


River: K/images/graemlins/spade.gif ($98.5, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $98.5)


Results:
Final pot: $98.5

[VPIP100]

Preflop is fine, you have position and good hand.

Instafold the flop tho, what are you thinking? And if you think you have clean outs/the best hand + enough FE just shove the flop.

[KingOfSwords]

I feel like this is a maringal spot, at best. I'd like it better if we were first in and then came over the top when he tries to pick off our cbet with a raise.

[meleader2]

I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR A POST LIKE THIS

i think u need to ask yourself if villain is 3 betting here often, when is he 4 betting? is villain just plain bad or a good player 3 betting and <font color="red">PUTTING IT IN WHEN HE AS THE BEST OF IT</font>

this type of b.s. from players at 100nl is what made me drop down. i look forward to trying to have a good discussion here regarding 3 betting, 3 betting ranges and when to 4bet/push AI both pre and post flop.

edit: i think mainly u need to limit ur 4 betting hands to 88+, AKo/s. AQ i do NOT think is good enough here. (NOTE for 4 betting/AI. 3 betting it is more than good).

[Maneh]

I didnt saw villain 4Bet;

My reads are based on villain stats and a fast look in poker tracker.

I put villain 3Bet range in 88+,ATs+,KTs+,QTs+,AJo+,KJo+,QJo coz its about 1/3 of his openning range and he 3bet me 3 times in a row when I open OTB to steal.

[Bowlboy]

little bit o/t but wouldnt PAHUD be like 100x better if you could get stats on 3betting pre and postflop?

[meleader2]

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little bit o/t but wouldnt PAHUD be like 100x better if you could get stats on 3betting pre and postflop?

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yes.

[Dave I]

If he's been doing this to me a lot and his range really is what you say, then I 4-bet him preflop. Preflop is the time to take this hand down IMO. Otherwise, I fold.

Plus, if somehow you manage to get it all-in preflop he will probably slow down if he see you willing to tangle with a less than monster hand.

If he doesn't slow down after that then I'm probably looking to get position on him or just get up and leave.