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lacrymosa
02-23-2007, 09:47 AM
I had no reads on this guy. I put him on some sort of ace. I probably should have pushed the flop? comments on all streets

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Stack sizes:
UTG: $28.50
UTG+1: $21.30
Hero: $25.25
Button: $24.40
SB: $30.85
BB: $26.55

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with A/images/graemlins/club.gif 6/images/graemlins/club.gif
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB checks.

Flop: J/images/graemlins/club.gif A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 3/images/graemlins/club.gif ($1, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $0.5</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2</font>, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $6</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($13, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $7</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises all-in $19.5</font>

avfletch
02-23-2007, 09:53 AM
I'd probably just push the flop. You have a reasonable amount of FE and high pot equity even when called by something like a better ace.

Nick C
02-23-2007, 09:54 AM
I suppose the turn play is deceptive, but once Villain 3-bets the flop, I think you should just get to the river as cheaply as you can, probably with the plan of folding to a river bet of a reasonable size if you haven't improved.

Tiki
02-23-2007, 10:43 AM
Pushing flop makes loads more sense than pushing turn.

Against an unknown I'd just call his weak flop bet. He may even be semi-bluffing with clubs himself. Stack him if he hits or with your "bluff-catcher" on the river if he can't stop firing (perhaps).

I find his flop bet confusing if he isn't holding clubs/K10.
I'll be interested to see the results of this one.

VPIP100
02-23-2007, 10:45 AM
Push flop, you are even money versus his range there, on the turn you are not.

Smilin'
02-23-2007, 11:41 AM
The turn is deceptive and scary-looking, I suppose, but the problem is that he's likely to feel pot committed at that point. I think if you push flop he'll have an easier time getting away from the hand. That said, I think usually a flop push gets called, but that's no problem at all unless he has a set.

barryc83
02-23-2007, 12:15 PM
If youre pushing turn for value thats one thing, but hes never folding a worse hand on the turn.

Supwithbates
02-23-2007, 12:37 PM
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If youre pushing turn for value thats one thing, but hes never folding a worse hand on the turn.

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you mean a better hand, right?

4bet allin on the flop, as played pushing turn is awful because you're behind and he's not folding.

Smoothcalling in position is also fine, you have a weak made hand right now that doesn't really fear any cards to come, and if you do hit you are in position so you're more likely to get paid off. That, and overcalls are hawt with the nutflushdraw. Id be ready to dump it if the board pairs, but otherwise go into callstation mode until you improve.

barryc83
02-23-2007, 12:39 PM
sorry better hand

melioris
02-23-2007, 12:42 PM
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Push flop, you are even money versus his range there, on the turn you are not.

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