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fishmetender
02-21-2007, 10:35 PM
Leaks? Alternate lines to take here?

Bigger flop bet?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($2.21)
BB ($3.91)
UTG ($4.91)
UTG+1 ($0.39)
MP1 ($1.90)
MP2 ($1.74)
Hero ($1.92)
Button ($4.86)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls $0.02, MP2 calls $0.02, Hero calls $0.02, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $0.04</font>, MP1 calls $0.02, MP2 calls $0.02, Hero calls $0.02, SB calls $0.02.

Flop: ($0.20) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $0.06</font>, BB calls $0.06, MP1 calls $0.06, MP2 calls $0.06, Hero calls $0.06.

Turn: ($0.50) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $0.06</font>, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $0.06, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $0.6</font>, SB folds, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to $1.64</font>

Spechel EDD
02-21-2007, 10:45 PM
fold preflop, fold flop

J9s isnt something id gamble around with in full ring. maybe 6 max on the button here vs an aggro tard but not here.

RickA
02-21-2007, 11:30 PM
I agree, but where the turn decision given the previous action has to be a push. I think all of his outs are clean here and that will certainly give him the necessary odds for a call. Considering it will be over 90% of his stack that makes it a push, no?

Nick C
02-22-2007, 12:43 AM
Preflop is fine.

Don't fold the flop. Why would you want to do that? You're getting 7:1 closing the action and have a draw to the nuts, a backdoor draw, and two overcards. The overcards aren't really worth that much, since you could improve to top pair at the same time someone else makes, for instance, a straight, but surely you have pretty good implied odds on your gutshot at this table. (It sure looks like you do.)

On the turn, I probably just call again. How often is this semibluff-raise taking it down immediately? I don't know the answer to that since I'm unfamiliar with how the limit plays, but I'm having some doubts about how often you win unimproved.

I also doubt you'll walk into MP2's call/push very often, so there is that, but I guess you should grudgingly fold to it once it comes.