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eternal_
02-21-2007, 09:00 AM
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SB ($6.50)
BB ($6)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($13.45)</font>
MP ($16)
<font color="#C00000">CO ($10)</font>
Button ($15.15)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $0.4</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $1.2</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls $0.80.

Flop: ($2.55) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $2.2</font>.

Final Pot: $4.75

Villain is pretty tight; 18/15 over 250 hands.
Is my check fine here? Should I just call and bet out on turn if an A or K doesn't come, or raise to something like 5,50-6$. If I raise and he shoves, am I enough number of times ahead?

How would you play this hand? Lead the flop?

VPIP100
02-21-2007, 09:02 AM
I 4-bet this all day, but Im a lagtard.

matv
02-21-2007, 09:07 AM
I like to just call the RR PF here, but I 4-bet very rarely.

I like a stop and go here you'll pick off this players cbets and find out exactly where you are on the turn. You also get maximum value out of a J this way.

I muck to his raise on the turn.

Elverian
02-21-2007, 09:13 AM
If he's tight, he didn't 3 bet with a lone J in his hand.
I lead out with a half pot bet, and bin the hand if I get reraised.
I don't like trying to pick off a cbet here, as it's far more expensive if villain has the hands it looks like.
Get your info for $1.50 rather than $6

flo
02-21-2007, 09:28 AM
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If he's tight, he didn't 3 bet with a lone J in his hand.
I lead out with a half pot bet, and bin the hand if I get reraised.
I don't like trying to pick off a cbet here, as it's far more expensive if villain has the hands it looks like.
Get your info for $1.50 rather than $6

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What's your play if villain calls flop and turn bricks?

Elverian
02-21-2007, 09:40 AM
If he flat calls, I would assume I'm likely behind and back off on the turn. Nearly all the hands that call our flop bet have us beat, apart from AJ - which would not 3 bet preflop.
About the only hand we are beating that may call is A /images/graemlins/spade.gifK /images/graemlins/spade.gif which has so many outs, we are still in trouble.

eternal_
02-21-2007, 10:03 AM
So if I lead out on flop and villain raises me, it's a instafold then?

Jouster777
02-21-2007, 10:10 AM
Got a read on villain's PF 3-bet range?

if its TT+, AK, AQ then you are
ahead: AQ, AK (24 combos)
behind: TT/JJ/KK/AA (18 combos)
chop: QQ

So if the range includes AQ you are a bit ahead of villain's range. If the range is AK/JJ+ then you are about even with it. Biggest problem (as you obviously recognize) is you are OOP. Both the bet/fold and call/lead non-AK turn lines are fine. I don't see a huge advantage to one over the other but maybe more people will weigh in on that choice.

eternal_
02-21-2007, 02:06 PM
Thanks for your opinions. So this is how I played the hand:
I raised him to 5,5$, he thought for a moment (indicates weakness obviously?) and shoved. I called, turn and river were blancos. Villain told me had AJ.

Jouster777
02-21-2007, 03:23 PM
Sounds good...makes a note he will 3-bet with AJo IP

Also...did you realize you can see mucked hands in the Pokerstars hand history? Better yet, get PA HUD and it will show all the hands at the end.