PS 25NL do I fold this full house ?

1st hand at the table, no reads.


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UTG ($50.20)
MP ($19.45)
CO ($12.15)
<font color="#C00000">Button ($23.45)</font>
SB ($37.85)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($25)</font>

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $0.75</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $0.50, UTG calls $0.50.

Flop: ($2.35) T/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($2.35) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.5</font>, UTG folds, Button calls $1.50.

River: ($5.35) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3.75</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $21.2</font>


Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero calls $17.45. Hero has 5s 5c (full house, fives full of tens).
Button has Td Ts (four of a kind, tens).
Outcome: Button wins $47.75. </font>

[RAHZero]

BBV. Seriously. You already know the answer to your question.

[thac]

Uhm just about never.

[FalconTi0]

lol RAHZero

What`s BBV ?

[freedom18]

do u hate money?

[RAHZero]

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What`s BBV ?

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Beats, brags and variance. 2 hands beat you: TT and 66 (unless villain is a maniac and could have T5, T6 or T2, but then you'd have to call anyway because he's a maniac). You beat a backdoor flush, and AT,KT,QT,JT,T9, and 22. In short, you've got a monster hand, and you want to your stack in the middle. If he's got you beat, well that's poker, but you can't fold a hand this strong unless villain is like 5/1/0.

was trying to look up BBV in google for abreviations and found a bavarian insurance company and some blood disease /images/graemlins/frown.gif.

Yeah, I insta-called. To bad it was first hand at the table and I had no read. Results are in white BTW.

Is this a fold against a thinking player ? I think yes

[Check_The_Nuts]

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was trying to look up BBV in google for abreviations and found a bavarian insurance company and some blood disease /images/graemlins/frown.gif.

Yeah, I insta-called. To bad it was first hand at the table and I had no read. Results are in white BTW.

Is this a fold against a thinking player ? I think yes

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no, its not.

[Speedlimits]

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was trying to look up BBV in google for abreviations and found a bavarian insurance company and some blood disease /images/graemlins/frown.gif.

Yeah, I insta-called. To bad it was first hand at the table and I had no read. Results are in white BTW.

Is this a fold against a thinking player ? I think yes

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um. no

[Phytopath]

Really you should almost never fold a full house (trips/2pair boards excluded). Multi-way against thinking opponents withstanding, I think you can sometimes consider it, but never heads-up.

Really this is bad even for thinking it, I would expect a flush here alot more often than a bigger boat.

[orange]

shove the river.

[Spanky1974]

I think a lot players are doing this with the flush draw. the only hands that beat you are T6, 66 and TT. 66 or the flush draw here seem the most likely hands that would play the hand this way.

[LayZ]

I agree, expected to see a backdoor flush here, never fold. Quads don't exist.

[Jouster777]

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Is this a fold against a thinking player ? I think yes

[/ QUOTE ]NEVER

[xorthio]

what do you guys think of the flop, shouldn't he bet it there?

Ok, ok I didn`t even considered folding. Also I expected a BD flush here. He turned over TT. It`s one of those hands you just have to pay of I guess.

[Jouster777]

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Ok, ok I didn`t even considered folding. Also I expected a BD flush here. He turned over TT. It`s one of those hands you just have to pay of I guess.

[/ QUOTE ]Yeah, this outcome was inevitable on the flop unless both players play it horribly. Nothing to feel bad about unless you fold.

[Zeldark]

Never fold.

The river should've been a 5 just to spite you.

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Never fold.

The river should've been a 5 just to spite you.

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that would have been an overtilt.. eh I mean overkill

[Zagga]

This theory applies here:

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I'm gonna start a new series by giving everyone some clues on how to play No Limit-Texas Hold'em by giving theorems on how everyone (except me?) plays.


Theorem 1: The Full House Theorem
Nobody is capable of folding a full house on any street for any sized bet, ever. Don't fool yourself into thinking they can. I'm not even referring to NUT full houses (eg. board reads 29522, if your opponent has the loan 5, they will almost always call allin; if they folded, it was likely do to timing out or a misclick). Remember: full houses aren't too common, and after all, you might be bluffing!

Ways to exploit:
If you expect someone has a full house, and you can't beat a full house never ever bluff. If you expect someone has a full house and you can beat their likely full house, go allin. Let's say the board is 29522, and you have TT or better, go allin no matter what the size of the pot is, b/c they can't fold.

--copyright captZEEbo.

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In short, it says most people are not able to fold any full house. meaning that if the pot is like $1, and the board is tripled on the river and you have the nut card to make quads. Someone is likely to have a boat and you could shove $20 and likely get called.

If you think your opponent is a good player and perhaps knows this theory you might consider folding if the pot is still very small, but I would 99% call here:D