nl 50 K8o tricky river spot

[IsaacAsimov]

Full Tilt Poker
$0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Ring Game
6 Players
LegoPoker Hand Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh)

<font color="black">Stack Sizes</font>
CO: $49.25
Hero (BTN): $51.55
SB: $93.4
BB: $60.95
UTG: $54.40
MP: $57.75

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif Khttp://legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif ($0.75, 6 players)
UTG calls $0.50, MP folds, CO folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.25</font>, SB folds, BB calls $1.75, UTG calls $1.75

<font color="black">Flop:</font> 6http://legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif T/images/graemlins/heart.gif ($7, 3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks

<font color="black">Turn:</font> 6http://legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif T/images/graemlins/heart.gif [Khttp://legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif] ($7, 3 players)
<font color="red">BB bets $4</font>, UTG folds, Hero calls $4

<font color="black">River:</font> 6http://legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif T/images/graemlins/heart.gif Khttp://legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif [K/images/graemlins/heart.gif] ($15, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $9</font>, <font color="red">BB raises all in to $55.20</font>, Hero...

I just sat down at the table so my table image is normal. Villain is 23/13/6 over 117 hands.
Considering my table image (normal), I highly doubt this could be a bluff unless villain is on some kind of tilt (which I wouldn't know of).
The crai with a decent hand confuses me a bit though. I'd think he'd value bet decent hands like KT, K6. I suppose there could be some merit in crai with KK, but that hand doesn't make sense in this spot.
Suggestions?

edit: in retrospect I don't like the raise against the utg limper with K8o.

[thac]

I realize you want to punish limpers and play a lot on the button, but just fold preflop man. There's no point in playing this way especially with minimal reads on the players.

As played, you don't beat anything, and river check/raise bluffs are very rare in uNL.. just pitch it. Btw, what were you looking to get called by when you bet the river? /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Jouster777]

I let this go. These big river pushes can be bluffs (which is pretty much all you beat) but more often is a monster.

I'm guessing villain had AJ but obviously a lot of boat possibilities too. No way he has a worse K.

[illadelph86]

wow. you played this horrible. sry. ok, wtf are you raising K8os for? i know u have position/limpers but... anyways given the line you took the turn call is good. check behind on the river. are you value betting your runner runner set? he only calls/raises with a better hand. AJ, KQ, K10... thats a huge river cr and you certainly didnt play the turn like you had a set.

[DrRock]

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The crai with a decent hand confuses me a bit though. I'd think he'd value bet decent hands like KT, K6. I suppose there could be some merit in crai with KK, but that hand doesn't make sense in this spot.
Suggestions?



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It is strange isnt it? However, it isnt unusual at this limit and in my experience is rarely a bluff. Although I rarely call it anymore, so I guess I wouldnt know. hmmm

[AceLuby]

If you're going to raise PF w/ K8o, why not throw a c-bet out there on the flop?

[IsaacAsimov]

@ K8o

See OP, I did edit that I didn't like the pf raise in retrospect.
@ thac, I am the kinda guy who likes to punish limpers and I agree with you that this hand just isn't worth it. Don't you think a queen would call the river here? I may have made the value bet too big for a queen here, but I do think that a quee might call here at these stakes.

@ AceLuby

I kinda didn't like the flop texture. But it probably is the better play when I raise marginal holdings.

[barryc83]

Yeah you already know about pf. I'd prob play it the same assuming you folded the river. You pretty much have to VB the river when checked to IMO. The villain played it like he was trying to steal, I see guys with these stats make heroic calls all the time. The river cr isnt a bluff however.

[AceLuby]

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@ AceLuby

I kinda didn't like the flop texture. But it probably is the better play when I raise marginal holdings.

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All I'm saying is that we raised PF to take the pot and punish limpers, it checks around to us on the flop, so I almost always throw a 1/2-PSB out there, right around 3/4 pot usually. Granted we are probably beat, but I would like to end the hand right there if possible.

[ama0330]

Fold everything everywhere