Full Tilt and the PPA...FINALLY A GREAT IDEA

[Jeter5583]

Everyone who plays on FT has NO reason now but to give money, lots of money to the PPA. Full Tilts new promotion acually pays you in bonus to donate to the PPA. And they don't just pay you part of what you donate, they either give you MORE than you donate, or at least match it if you do the maximum donation. THERE IS NO REASON NOT TO DO THIS, and FINALLY a good idea comes from a site itself.

[oober]

uh link?

[Jeter5583]

This legislation needs to be fought, and for that the PPA needs funding. Here is the link to Full Tilt's offer. EVERYONE should do this, I mean even if you don't play at FT, you should now as you get paid to donate to the PPA.
http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/poker-players-alliance/bonus.php?ph=862bbef0

[fearme]

guess i should do this since i cant cash out of there

[mikeroddick]

Well, the $100 donation looks like the best value.

I'm gonna give right now.

How much are others gonna give?

Seems like a cheap price to pay to try and protect our way of life and right to play online

[Truthiness24]

I'd still really like to know what PPA's legislative agenda is first. If they have one yet.

I know that they are the only game in town right now, but they will only truly (pledge to) work for the players if we demand it before donating.

[BluffTHIS!]

This is just PPA spam as proven by your posting this in the zoo as well. And I echo the comment above about the PPA needing to resolve the ongoing issues here before we promote them.

[Jeter5583]

While your concerns are merited, it doesn;t change that donations should be made now. This is a time sensitive issue, and I can assure you their goal is one in the same as ours. They are recently making more known how they are attacking the issues, but either way, there is NO reason not to do this now.

[BluffTHIS!]

Your "assurances" won't cut the mustard. And if they need donations *now*, then they should work post haste to resolve the issues discussed here in previous months *now*.

[mikeroddick]

Well, we got to start somewhere....

We are "gamblers" on some level, and I feel that $100 or even $1000 is a good "gamble" for the potentially (albeit) slim chance of them getting a positive result.

I'm not holding my breathe, but it's all we got.

Nothing is gonna happened if all we do is bitch and moan in these forums.

Does anyway really think them bastards (like Frist) in Congress read here?

[BluffTHIS!]

Note to mods: We now have 2 n00b posters spamming for the PPA and asking for donations. I'm pretty sure Mason wouldn't approve at this point. And it is *transparent* that this is just an attempt on the part of some supporters or PPA insiders to get around having to deal with legitimate criticisms. This thread should be not just locked but deleted as should it's companion thread in the zoo.

[mikeroddick]

Besides Jeter, who's the other spammer?

They should both be taken out back and shot!

[BluffTHIS!]

You are obviously. Your posting here and in the zoo thread as well, in addition to the fact you both just created these accounts this month, is evidence of same, as if your last post above didn't make it clear to all that you are a troll.

[RainDog]

[ QUOTE ]
Note to mods: We now have 2 n00b posters spamming for the PPA and asking for donations. I'm pretty sure Mason wouldn't approve at this point. And it is *transparent* that this is just an attempt on the part of some supporters or PPA insiders to get around having to deal with legitimate criticisms. This thread should be not just locked but deleted as should it's companion thread in the zoo.

[/ QUOTE ]

You have got to be kidding me...
Have some faith! You of all people should be capable of that

[Sponger.]

Jeter isn't a spammer. He is a good poker player who plays a ton on FTP. That is all.

[mikeroddick]

I'm not a spammer either....I just agree that it's a good idea.

So there!

[jschaud]

PPA may be doing very little to help our cause, but if the poker sites seem to believe in them at least a little, shouldn't we 'freeroll' joining? If you are a regular player there, especially the real grinders who will blow through a few hundred in bonus in a week, why not? I read some of the article about how the PPA is very shady, but even if they are doing minimal for us, isn't it better than nothing? Once again, I am very naive as to how all of it is going down and by no means have i kept up with things fully.

[Emperor]

whatever happened to our own lobby "study" we were doing here? Did it just fade away?

[sdheflin]

IS THIS A COMMUNIST FORUM, SURE FEELS LIKE IT. CENSOR EVERYTHING YOU DONT APPROVE OF. WHAT IS 2+2 DOING TO HELP THE CAUSE??

[sdheflin]

MOVED IT TO THE BONUS FORUM LOL.2+2 IS A [censored] JOKE!!!

[sdheflin]

IM GOING TO THE RX OR EOG !!!

[mikeroddick]

Why are we moved to bonuses?

[Mondogarage]

When the PPA comes forth and announces how much they've received directly or indirectly from the poker sites themselves, then I'll consider.

In the meantime, this bonus is a shallow attempt to get the players to bankroll the "efforts" of an organization whose real purpose is to protect the business model of a small number of companies.

We've seen hints at transparency, but not actual transparency.

[orentha]

if you dont like the PPA, then fine.

just look at it this way if it makes you feel better: you make money, donate $100, get a $200 bonus, that's $100 in profit (minus the mgr hit) but either way, your still MAKING MONEY. and FT is weak on the bonuses so this is a good thing...

[Mondogarage]

By that reasoning, you would agree that if FTP were to suddenly start offering $200 bonuses if you donated $100 to start killing orphaned Rwandan children, "you're still MAKING MONEY and FT is weak on the bonuses so this is a good thing"?

I'm not arguing that supporting the PPA is anything even more than it is...but if you're someone who has been skeptical about the PPA's methods, financing, forthrightness, etc., and have held back because of that, then the fact that they've convinced FTP to offer bonuses to bribe you for your support doesn't change any of that.

If you want to squander principles for a bonus, that's your business. But most of us who have been skeptical of the PPA haven't been holding out for a bonus, we've been holding out for real answers, none of which have been forthcoming.

[Our House]

[ QUOTE ]
By that reasoning, you would agree that if FTP were to suddenly start offering $200 bonuses if you donated $100 to start killing orphaned Rwandan children, "you're still MAKING MONEY and FT is weak on the bonuses so this is a good thing"?

[/ QUOTE ]
If there's something wrong with the PPA (at this point in time), then why oh why is Full Tilt taking a loss to build up a roll for them?? Something is up their sleeves, and it's very possible that the PPA you knew before isn't going to be the same as the PPA coming up in the near future.

[Mondogarage]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
By that reasoning, you would agree that if FTP were to suddenly start offering $200 bonuses if you donated $100 to start killing orphaned Rwandan children, "you're still MAKING MONEY and FT is weak on the bonuses so this is a good thing"?

[/ QUOTE ]
If there's something wrong with the PPA (at this point in time), then why oh why is Full Tilt taking a loss to build up a roll for them?? Something is up their sleeves, and it's very possible that the PPA you knew before isn't going to be the same as the PPA coming up in the near future.

[/ QUOTE ]

Exactly. "Up their sleeves". In other words, the PPA is not providing full and complete information to their supporters.

To answer your question though, (why oh why is Full Tilt taking a loss to build up a roll for them??) the answer is that it is in FTP's clear financial interest, as it is for every poker site currently serving US customers. Don't kid yourself, they (and PS) see the writing on the wall if there's no carveout.

FTP clearly sees the PPA as their last best hope to get to stay in the US market. And that's fine. I hope FTP gets to stay. That doesn't make the PPA actually representative of players, and it doesn't excuse their complete lack of transparency thus far. And frankly, as this is, to a large degree, an effort by FTP to enable themselves to stay in business in the US, it should be FTP throwing the big money to the PPA. Except that would require the actual transfer of real money. Aside from the limiting factor of requiring donations to the PPA, this isn't any different from any other reload bonus, per se, which other sites have already been offering.

The fact that FTP is offering bonuses has does not make the PPA either a good thing or a bad thing. But if you thought the PPA was a questionable entity prior to this, the bonus does not change any other fact. Only that now, they seem to think your consideration has a price of a couple hundred dollars. Me, I'd rather have the PPA be completely thorough in answering all of the questions that have been asked of its opaque leadership thus far. Hell, they do that, and they won't need to buy off our support with bonuses.

[Our House]

1) When I said "up their sleeves", I was referring to Full Tilt and not the PPA. It's fairly likely that Full Tilt knows something about the PPA that we don't know.

2) The absolute LAST thing Full Tilt wants to see happen is a poker carve-out. How could they possibly compete with sites like Party (when it re-enters the market), or even more so, the big US casino sites that would pop up...like Bellagio, MGM, Harrah's, etc. dot com?

3) Full Tilt's decision to remain in the US market is up to Full Tilt. The only thing preventing them from doing business would be banking regulations, not carve-outs/no carve-outs.

[ed8383]

[ QUOTE ]

2) The absolute LAST thing Full Tilt wants to see happen is a poker carve-out. How could they possibly compete with sites like Party (when it re-enters the market), or even more so, the big US casino sites that would pop up...like Bellagio, MGM, Harrah's, etc. dot com?

[/ QUOTE ]
by the time that happens (a couple of years, if it happens) full tilt will have plenty of U.S player and would have already tapped the european market a bit as they already are doing.

[gonebroke2]

By asking their players to join the PPA to have poker exempted from the UIGEA, they are admitting that they are operating illegally right? If they were operating legally, then such an exemption would not be necessary. This seems to be the opposite of PokerStars stance; maybe thats why they are not pushing people to join the PPA?

[KEW]

"2) The absolute LAST thing Full Tilt wants to see happen is a poker carve-out. How could they possibly compete with sites like Party (when it re-enters the market), or even more so, the big US casino sites that would pop up...like Bellagio, MGM, Harrah's, etc. dot com?"

I think you are wrong here...IMO If there was a carve out the US based company would enter the online poker market through merger and acqusitions...Sites like Party,Stars and Full Tilt are very valuable for there established technologies,player base and marketting knowledge...IMO Harrah's will not try to reinvent the wheel they will buy the whole car(ie Stars and other established sites)...

[straightflush]

I don't understand where some of you guys are coming from. I am going to take the largest bonus available because

a) I play quite a bit on Full Tilt
b) I don't see any negative outcomes from the PPA getting more funding.

What am I missing here? The PPA is not going to work against our interests. Even if they for some reason don't try to help, I'm not losing anything.

[Emperor]

Why is there no overlay at the $1000 level?

I would do the $1000 if they gave like $1100 in bonus, otherwise I am encouraged just to give $100 for $200 in bonus /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[ASD99]

yeah i feel the same way...has to be a typo because doing the $1000 level absolutely makes no sense since you are not getting anything for a profit...as with the other levels you are at least getting 25-100% overlay.

[Tk79]

If I donate $1000 I get $1000 bonus. That bonus then most likely comes out of my MGR and 27% of $1000 is $270. So for me to do the max bonus it actually would cost me $270. Am I missing something or is that whats going on here?

[Mondogarage]

[ QUOTE ]
1) 2) The absolute LAST thing Full Tilt wants to see happen is a poker carve-out. How could they possibly compete with sites like Party (when it re-enters the market), or even more so, the big US casino sites that would pop up...like Bellagio, MGM, Harrah's, etc. dot com?


[/ QUOTE ]

My point exactly. Thanks for proving it for me.

So:
1. Full Tilt does *not* want a poker carve out from the UIGEA;

2. PPA says they are working for a poker carve out, but otherwise has pretty much made almost no other information public (financing, membership roster, actual records of meeting, etc.);

3. Full Tilt is working to help the PPA raise funds.

So this doesn't leave you with the glaringly obvious question...why would Full Tilt work *with* the PPA if the PPA's stated goal is contrary to Full Tilt's interests?

Answer: The PPA is actually working more towards Full Tilt's interests than yours. If your interests run parallel to FTP's, then great. But if you don't see how their interests can run counter to yours, then you're missing a read here.

Either way, that's not picking on FTP, because they're up front about what they are doing (e.g., trying to get money to the PPA). It's the PPA that's been less than candid.

[danzasmack]

mondorage,

FT does want a poker carve out.

[cowboy.up]

[ QUOTE ]
If I donate $1000 I get $1000 bonus. That bonus then most likely comes out of my MGR and 27% of $1000 is $270. So for me to do the max bonus it actually would cost me $270. Am I missing something or is that whats going on here?

[/ QUOTE ]

I believe you are correct - you recoup the $1000 donated from the bonus, but you're $270 behind in potential rakeback from donating and bonus clearing just go get back to 'even.'

[faustusmedea]

I won't counsel one way or the other, but there is a point you should consider. Last year when Party did this, the new law had not been enacted. This time its a little different.

Essentially, it is pretty transparent you are being asked to exchange funds with an illegal offshore entity and a US based lobbying organization. May or may not be an issue for most of you, but you should at least consider it.

[dneedle1]

Has anyone actually signed up and received bonus money from FT? If so, please advise. Their e-mail seems quite serious, but the "its too good to be true" radar has gone off.

[Al_Money]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
If I donate $1000 I get $1000 bonus. That bonus then most likely comes out of my MGR and 27% of $1000 is $270. So for me to do the max bonus it actually would cost me $270. Am I missing something or is that whats going on here?

[/ QUOTE ]

I believe you are correct - you recoup the $1000 donated from the bonus, but you're $270 behind in potential rakeback from donating and bonus clearing just go get back to 'even.'

[/ QUOTE ]

That's pretty funny.

[damaniac]

[ QUOTE ]
Has anyone actually signed up and received bonus money from FT? If so, please advise. Their e-mail seems quite serious, but the "its too good to be true" radar has gone off.

[/ QUOTE ]

I got an error message so I emailed them. They told me they are aware there has been a problem crediting players and they are looking into it, but assure me I will get my correct bonus amount.

[Mondogarage]

[ QUOTE ]
mondorage,

FT does want a poker carve out.

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm pretty sure they do (but not 100% positive, for reasons I'll explain below) - I was responding to the guy who said that's the last thing FT wants. My point being that just because a business provides a service, and you are a customer of that service, that doesn't make your interests aligned.

I know *I* want a poker carve out, so that I can continue to play.

First off, I'm not advocating anyone either join PPA or not, or apply for the current bonus, or not. My whole point is simply that, if you were predisposed to be doubtful of the PPA's operations or intentions, and did not join the PPA because of that, then the existence of the new bonus does not change any of that. So if you join simply because of the bonus, that means your will is completely pliable just for the sake of a C note or two, and that's rather sad.

Anyway, my own pet theory is that the reason the PPA is so opaque is that it's really being steered from behind the curtains by folks at Harrah's, MGM, etc. (the big US casino operators), who do not want to see a poker carve out, but want to see the offshore entities choked off for a while. After a year or so, they can successfully lobby for a new law allowing (and regulating) online poker, where they can now step into a wide open marketplace.

As for how FTP may fit into this, they know that if there is a carve out, they'll do fine, but that even if there is no carve out, and the US is shut down for a year or so before opening back up under new laws, they have a vastly marketable brand name that they can sell to, say, Harrah's, and come out just fine. Branding is king, after all.

So FTP wins either way. And we have no poker for a year or two, when it's made available again as "Harrah's Full Tilt" or something like that.

Again, that's just my own pet theory. I am not trying to persuade anyone else to follow that theory, however, it illustrates the reasons behind my skepticism about the PPA. Skepticism that can only be cleared up by full disclosure of all aspects of their operation. And no, chest-pumping PR announcements that do not contain any actual substance do not substitute for disclosure.

Anyway, folks can and should follow their conscience as to this, but I'm saddened that folks who otherwise questioned the PPA would now fall over themselves to join just because of a reload bonus.

[Slim Pickens]

As far as I know, B&M gaming companies are forbidden from operating wire-based (and this applies to the internet) operations by the Nevada State Gaming Commission and the terms of their gaming license. Someone please correct me if this is wrong.

I took a flier and donated the $100 using my special "fraud" credit card I use for sketchy-looking stuff. The bonus has already not shown up in my account, so I've emailed support. I'll keep you all updated.

[dlk9s]

[ QUOTE ]
Note to mods: We now have 2 n00b posters spamming for the PPA and asking for donations. I'm pretty sure Mason wouldn't approve at this point. And it is *transparent* that this is just an attempt on the part of some supporters or PPA insiders to get around having to deal with legitimate criticisms. This thread should be not just locked but deleted as should it's companion thread in the zoo.

[/ QUOTE ]

Whatever.

Thread stays.

[pdk]

The bonus is instant, but you have to clear it, right?

Or do you have to clear it first?

[MasterChen]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
If I donate $1000 I get $1000 bonus. That bonus then most likely comes out of my MGR and 27% of $1000 is $270. So for me to do the max bonus it actually would cost me $270. Am I missing something or is that whats going on here?

[/ QUOTE ]

I believe you are correct - you recoup the $1000 donated from the bonus, but you're $270 behind in potential rakeback from donating and bonus clearing just go get back to 'even.'

[/ QUOTE ]

Don't forget the taxes we will have to pay when we withdraw the money because its going to look like winnings. Bad deal, right Howie Mandal?

[Bobo Fett]

[ QUOTE ]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
If I donate $1000 I get $1000 bonus. That bonus then most likely comes out of my MGR and 27% of $1000 is $270. So for me to do the max bonus it actually would cost me $270. Am I missing something or is that whats going on here?

[/ QUOTE ]

I believe you are correct - you recoup the $1000 donated from the bonus, but you're $270 behind in potential rakeback from donating and bonus clearing just go get back to 'even.'

[/ QUOTE ]

Don't forget the taxes we will have to pay when we withdraw the money because its going to look like winnings. Bad deal, right Howie Mandal?

[/ QUOTE ]

You pay taxes on money that LOOKS like winnings? Might be time for a new accountant.

BTW, who is Howie Mandal? I wonder if he knows Howie Mandel?

[LoveDub]

Dear Full Tilt Poker,

This is with respect to your latest 'promotion' of the PPA.

I applaud your effort to up the membership of the PPA. And I applaud your drive to get players to donate to their cause.

I'm not an American, but I feel that US players are being shafted royally by this unfair law. This also does not bode well for the rest of us, since our governments mostly follow like sheep behind the rest of world opinion, which is (unfortunately) set by the USA.

To quote from your e-mail: 'Outrage is good, but outrage without action is useless.'

I find it funny that you're making money off this, you're giving bonuses for donations, but then you're making money off the rake when the player clears the bonus. Seems like you're getting a lot of action too.

Why don't you just give some of your money to the PPA directly, without further indebting your players?

I think your players should be outraged, outraged that you're using this bill as a marketing ploy to make even more money for yourselves. Looks desperate.

Regards,
XXX

[Reef]

lovedub,

donate $100, get $200 in bonus. Assuming you will play there anyway (99% of cases), then why complain?

[twobitplayer]

[ QUOTE ]



Why don't you just give some of your money to the PPA directly, without further indebting your players?


[/ QUOTE ]


I am not FT,but this one is easy to answer. It really does give the PPA more lobbying weight to be able to say '1 million card carrying members' as opposed to saying the poker sites fund us.

[FTPDoug]

To clear something up, the bonus does not affect MGR.

[Suigin406]

[ QUOTE ]
To clear something up, the bonus does not affect MGR.

[/ QUOTE ]

ok, thx for the news ftpdoug, i'm sure this clears up at least some of the confusion...can u emphasize a bit more on y the 1000 bonus gets u no % overlay?? i mean, i understand if that's how they want to do it, but it doesn't seem like there's much benefit to the player, so i don't see that as being a viable options...

[MasterChen]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
If I donate $1000 I get $1000 bonus. That bonus then most likely comes out of my MGR and 27% of $1000 is $270. So for me to do the max bonus it actually would cost me $270. Am I missing something or is that whats going on here?

[/ QUOTE ]

I believe you are correct - you recoup the $1000 donated from the bonus, but you're $270 behind in potential rakeback from donating and bonus clearing just go get back to 'even.'

[/ QUOTE ]

Don't forget the taxes we will have to pay when we withdraw the money because its going to look like winnings. Bad deal, right Howie Mandal?

[/ QUOTE ]

You pay taxes on money that LOOKS like winnings? Might be time for a new accountant.

BTW, who is Howie Mandal? I wonder if he knows Howie Mandel?

[/ QUOTE ]

If you are good enough that you actually cashout, then thats $200 more you have to report on taxes. Even if you only made $100 b/c you donated $100 to the PPA good luck explaining that to the IRS. But then again not everyone makes money and the $200 lets the fish swim longer in the pool. Also, since it is now known that this is not deducted from RB I am offically hearing Howie say "you made a excellent deal."

[HavanaBanana]

FT is sending this offer to players that are not from the USA.
Is that in the PPA's best interest on Capitol Hill?

ToT

[Mark L]

[ QUOTE ]
Why don't you just give some of your money to the PPA directly, without further indebting your players?

I think your players should be outraged, outraged that you're using this bill as a marketing ploy to make even more money for yourselves. Looks desperate.

[/ QUOTE ]

You are an idiot.

[pdk]

Sorry, I don't think I worded that very well. Is the money credited to your FTP account when you make the donation, or do you have to get x number of FTPoints to clear it?

[dneedle1]

to repeat my earlier question, since no one has said yes, has anyone actually signed up and received money in their bonus account? Is there anyone 100% sure this is legit?

[Mark L]

[ QUOTE ]
to repeat my earlier question, since no one has said yes, has anyone actually signed up and received money in their bonus account? Is there anyone 100% sure this is legit?

[/ QUOTE ]

it is.

anyone find anything about how long we have to clear?

[damaniac]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
to repeat my earlier question, since no one has said yes, has anyone actually signed up and received money in their bonus account? Is there anyone 100% sure this is legit?

[/ QUOTE ]

it is.

anyone find anything about how long we have to clear?

[/ QUOTE ]

Think it said 62 days after joining or something. My error still hasn't been resolved.

[Thorv]

Anyone have any idea how many Full Tilt Player Points you earn with every hand you play? I've played 10,000 hands at FTP and have almost 11,000 player points, but I've played at different levels. FTPDoug?

[shu4040]

Does anyone know when we have to clear this bonus by???? ie: how long from deposit or end date of promotion?

[GeterPriffin]

[ QUOTE ]
Does anyone know when we have to clear this bonus by???? ie: how long from deposit or end date of promotion?

[/ QUOTE ]
62 days. I believe from deposit date. I cleared it last night and it appeared within minutes. A popup will come up and say you have cleared the bonus.

[action44]

I was wondering who I signed up with for rakeback and if it is still active? Can you help me? thanks in advance my screename is action44 on fulltilt.

[BlackjackAJ]

OK I know this has been asked but I can't find it. What do you do if you are already a member? I signed up for the 20 dollar membership when party offered to match or whatever.

[playersare]

[ QUOTE ]
OK I know this has been asked but I can't find it. What do you do if you are already a member? I signed up for the 20 dollar membership when party offered to match or whatever.

[/ QUOTE ]
you put in the confirmation number you got when you originally signed up, then buy the new membership. your account will then indicate your updated status level. unfortunately, past dues paid are not applied to the new tier. you pay the full amount required as if you were a brand new member.

[ispiked]

[ QUOTE ]
Anyone have any idea how many Full Tilt Player Points you earn with every hand you play?

[/ QUOTE ]
I had the same question. This page (http://www.bonuswhores.com/full-tilt-poker.php) gives some examples of how much of the bonus you can expect to clear per hour at different rates.

[OtZman]

I agree with others on this, a $1200 bonus for a $1000 donation is ridiculous. The other, lower bonuses are OK, but doesn't feel worth the effort for only $100.

On rakebreak I could read "Full Tilt Poker is offering a VERY GENEROUS bonus to all players that join the PPA!", so I was almost crapping my pants in excitement. I they had offered $2000 in bonus instead it would've been a different matter.

[kidpokeher]

Are you sure it's $1200 for a $1000 donation? If so, it doesn't seem like a ripoff if you look at it from the standpoint that they're giving you the same $200 for $100 bonus then your money back for the $900 you donate over and above that amount.

On the email I received it appeared they simply gave you your money back ($1000).

[OtZman]

[ QUOTE ]
Are you sure it's $1200 for a $1000 donation? If so, it doesn't seem like a ripoff if you look at it from the standpoint that they're giving you the same $200 for $100 bonus then your money back for the $900 you donate over and above that amount.

On the email I received it appeared they simply gave you your money back ($1000).

[/ QUOTE ]
Yep, it says you have to donate $1k to get the $1200 bonus. I don't quite get what you mean /images/graemlins/tongue.gif. I still feel like it's kind of a rip off; you have to accumulate 20k poker points to receive it. Sounds like quite a lot, I haven't played yet on FT so I have no idea how long it takes to accumulate it. It would've been a different matter if they gave PPA $5 and the player $1 for every 100 points the player accumulated, which would give the same result after 20k points ($200 for the player and $1k for PPA). Now the player has to pull $1k out of his/her own pocket.

[KEW]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Are you sure it's $1200 for a $1000 donation? If so, it doesn't seem like a ripoff if you look at it from the standpoint that they're giving you the same $200 for $100 bonus then your money back for the $900 you donate over and above that amount.

On the email I received it appeared they simply gave you your money back ($1000).

[/ QUOTE ]
Yep, it says you have to donate $1k to get the $1200 bonus. I don't quite get what you mean /images/graemlins/tongue.gif. I still feel like it's kind of a rip off; you have to accumulate 20k poker points to receive it. Sounds like quite a lot, I haven't played yet on FT so I have no idea how long it takes to accumulate it. It would've been a different matter if they gave PPA $5 and the player $1 for every 100 points the player accumulated, which would give the same result after 20k points ($200 for the player and $1k for PPA). Now the player has to pull $1k out of his/her own pocket.

[/ QUOTE ]

The bonus is obv to fund the PPA in the fight against the US Government for legalization of Internet Poker and a work around of "legal issues" of a foreign company(FTP) making contrubutions to a domestic lobbying group..

FTP is simply reimbursing its players for contributing to the PPA..This is the same thing Party did way back when..

[kidpokeher]

I agree that it's a lot both in donation and required points to collect the bonus. It's definitely targeted at the FT regulars who know they accumulate 20K+ points every month. I'm not one of those so I'm in for $100. This article helped in the decision.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/05/techno...agewanted=print (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/05/technology/05poker.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&ref=business&pagewan ted=print)

Everyone remember March 5 (today) is the deadline!

[OtZman]

Time is up! How many participated in this promotion?

I didn't, too much hassle plus I'm clearing another bonus on another site right now.

[miw210]

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Time is up! How many participated in this promotion?

I didn't, too much hassle plus I'm clearing another bonus on another site right now.

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I think they extended the promo to the 22th actually.

Question: How long does it take for the money to appear in your bonus account?

[zook]

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Question: How long does it take for the money to appear in your bonus account?

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It doesn't appear in your bonus account. Go to Cashier, click on My Promotions, and on that webpage click the top PPA Bonus banner. That page will tell you your status. Once I cleared it, the money hit my account very quickly, in less than an hour.

[OtZman]

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I think they extended the promo to the 22th actually.

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Now lets just hope they make them a bit more lucrative /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[GeterPriffin]

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I think they extended the promo to the 22th actually.

Question: How long does it take for the money to appear in your bonus account?

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It should appear almost instantly. There will be a popup notifying your completion.

[Motcalm]

I did the $100 donation the first day it was offered, just cleared enough points to get my $200 bonus -- they put it right into my account -- nice.

[ShipIt77]

Promotion ends March 22. Seems like a no brainer if you play on FT.

[OtZman]

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I did the $100 donation the first day it was offered, just cleared enough points to get my $200 bonus -- they put it right into my account -- nice.

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Hmm, I might do this one as well. So if the last day to sign up is 22nd of March, how long do you have to clear it?

[maybedinero]

I got an e-mail with this offer even though I am not in the US. Anyone know the clearance rate for the bonus (i.e. how many FT points to clear)?

[donkman]

Can you use ePassPorte Virtual Visa to sign up?

How does Full Tilt know that you signed up?
Does the PPA give you a confirmation number that you enter somewhere on Full Tilt?
Is your sign up recognized Automatically by Full Tilt through the eMail Address or Telephone Number you give to the PPA?


maybedinero....when you click on the the PPA Bonus banner on Full Tilt's site, you'll get a page that tells you the points needed. On mine it says....
$20 = 1,000
$40 = 2,000
$100 = 4,000
$1000 = 20,000

[DavidC]

I'd be willing to donate 1k for a 2k bonus that cleared over 10k points, or 100/200/1000.

Just me.

[moris]

If you donate $1,000, isn't that tax deductible?
Donate: -$1,000
Bonus: +$1,200
Tax write off: +$~300 ???????

Am I missing something?

[kidpokeher]

I don't think the donation is tax deductible. Yes, we may be charity cases, but I doubt the PPA is considered a charity.

[Emperor]

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I don't think the donation is tax deductible. Yes, we may be charity cases, but I doubt the PPA is considered a charity.

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PPA is a Non Profit Org. No idea if you can deduct your donation. Check with your accountant.

More imprtant question... Seems they keep extending this, can you do this multiple times? Does the bonus stack!?!?!

[jkj]

I'd like to know the answer to this myself. FT needs to get real with the bonus amount though. I mean +200 for a 1k donation??? I would do it for 2k bonus.

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If you donate $1,000, isn't that tax deductible?
Donate: -$1,000
Bonus: +$1,200
Tax write off: +$~300 ???????

Am I missing something?

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[Nick-Zack]

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I'd like to know the answer to this myself. FT needs to get real with the bonus amount though. I mean +200 for a 1k donation??? I would do it for 2k bonus.


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FT doesn't get the $1K you know.

[hime]

Anyone else stuck waiting for the "Bonus Department" to actually put this bonus on your account? Yes, I know you check the promos page. Nothing there except the page teasing the deal. I emailed them over a week ago and still no bonus.

[Suigin406]

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Anyone else stuck waiting for the "Bonus Department" to actually put this bonus on your account? Yes, I know you check the promos page. Nothing there except the page teasing the deal. I emailed them over a week ago and still no bonus.

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strange, i remember all i had to do was restart the software and it showed up on the promotions page...it doesn't actually appear in ur bonus account...u have to track the progress through the promotions page...it'll show what percentage u've completed so far..

[JLaw]

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strange, i remember all i had to do was restart the software and it showed up on the promotions page...it doesn't actually appear in ur bonus account...u have to track the progress through the promotions page...it'll show what percentage u've completed so far..

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All I have to do it click the promo and it tells me how much of the bonus I've cleared. What I really like is that it seems to clear concurrently with the signup bonus (which is consistent with some info I got from C/S regarding the bonus). Add rakeback and semi-solid play and I'm a happy camper. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[hime]

Yeah, did you read the part where I explained that I understood that?

I *STILL* have the page telling me how to get the bonus, it doesn't reflect any completion or even a goal.

[kidpokeher]

Better get hold of support. It was tracking me as soon as I signed up with the PPA.

[hime]

Do I type in [censored] Swahili?

[Bobo Fett]

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Do I type in [censored] Swahili?

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Holy crap, dude...does that great attitude get you far in life? You have a problem with getting the promo, it seems no one else is having this problem...you've emailed support, they haven't gotten back to you...what would you like anyone here to do about it? Someone has the temerity to suggest contacting support when you already mentioned you had emailed them...not everyone can be bothered to look over all your posts for every detail before replying. Obviously no one has an answer for you so far...save your abuse for FT, where your anger should be directed. Although that's probably not a good idea either, if you actually want help...maybe there's a dog in the neighborhood you can kick?

[gila]

Hmm, just got it to 100% complete, yet they didn't put it in my account. Am I supposed to email them or something?

[hime]

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Do I type in [censored] Swahili?

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Holy crap, dude...does that great attitude get you far in life? You have a problem with getting the promo, it seems no one else is having this problem...you've emailed support, they haven't gotten back to you...what would you like anyone here to do about it? Someone has the temerity to suggest contacting support when you already mentioned you had emailed them...not everyone can be bothered to look over all your posts for every detail before replying. Obviously no one has an answer for you so far...save your abuse for FT, where your anger should be directed. Although that's probably not a good idea either, if you actually want help...maybe there's a dog in the neighborhood you can kick?

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I wrote 3 sentences, and yet somehow people managed to assume I was incapable in two different ways that I clearly stated already I wasn't. I'm just helping people learn reading is fundamental. But thanks for sticking up for the tools.

[Bobo Fett]

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I wrote 3 sentences, and yet somehow people managed to assume I was incapable in two different ways that I clearly stated already I wasn't. I'm just helping people learn reading is fundamental. But thanks for sticking up for the tools.

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All righty then...everyone can work on their reading skills, you work on your counting skills, and we can all be happy. Good luck with that bonus, and have a nice day. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[donkman]

Has anyone tried using ePassPorte to sign up? And if so, what result did you have?

Thank You

[pipedreamz]

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Has anyone tried using ePassPorte to sign up? And if so, what result did you have?

Thank You

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yes, it works, use the virtual visa, cvv2 number is in your message box if you didn't know

[donkman]

Great. Thanks.

You made me realize that I mistakenly tried to use the regular visa.

I think the bonus for signing up before the 22nd was for the freeroll.

[hime]

Thank you for contacting Full Tilt Poker Support.

I sincerely apologize for my previous e-mail, as it appears that it was
answered incorrectly, on my behalf.

That being said, I understand that you are inquiring with regards to the
PPA bonus offered on Full Tilt Poker.

Upon review of your first e-mail, I have conducted a further
investigation into your account "djhomeschool". According to our
records, a request to have your Full Tilt Poker account "djhomeschool"
manually added to our Poker Players Alliance (PPA) bonus program was
sent on 03/07/06.

With that in mind, due to recent site outages we have experienced a
'back-up' and are currently working diligently to resolve all of these
issues. As such, you PPA bonus should be on your account shortly.

[hime]

(Note: I have been told this before.)

[kidpokeher]

Yes, but was it in Swahili?

[hime]

You have 91.57% of the points that you need to qualify.

FINALLY! And it looks like it got backdated somehow.

[Nick-Zack]

I just checked the status on this and it now shows a 404 error. Can anyone else still get the bonus page?

[SUfan5]

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I just checked the status on this and it now shows a 404 error. Can anyone else still get the bonus page?

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I'm having trouble as well. I think I'm gonna email full tilt support to check on it. They'll probably take awhile, but I'll let you know what they say when they get back to me.

[deadcat3x]

great idea by full tilt to save their own asses and line their pockets at the same time

[SUfan5]

Just got this email back from them. It looks like everything should be fine.


Hello Dan,

Thank you for contacting Full Tilt Poker Support.

Unfortunately, we are experiencing technical difficulties with the "My
Promotions" page and as such we are unable to see our players' PPA
status.

We are attempting to resolve the situation as soon as possible and
apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused. You should be able
to check the status of your PPA bonus by tomorrow afternoon Eastern
Time.