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Montezuma21
02-19-2007, 02:08 AM
very basic question, i'm sure, which is why i chose to post here rather than SSNL.

villain is 30/22/3 over 70 hands. his fold to CB% is 50%, but there probably aren't enough hands for this number to be accurate. so: how often do you bet, and how often do you check-fold?

sorry for the raw HH, converter busted.

Hand #37041367-172911 at Middlesex (No Limit Hold'em)
Started at 18/Feb/07 22:27:28

hlhz333 is at seat 0 with $105.65.
Thrombus is at seat 1 with $66.80.
jarrodw is at seat 2 with $91.90.
montezuma21 is at seat 3 with $259.50.
Big Muff is at seat 4 with $43.90.
The button is at seat 1.

jarrodw posts the small blind of $.50.
montezuma21 posts the big blind of $1.

hlhz333: -- --
Thrombus: -- --
jarrodw: -- --
montezuma21: 8s 8d
Big Muff: -- --

Pre-flop:

Big Muff folds. hlhz333 calls. Thrombus folds.
jarrodw calls. montezuma21 raises to $5. hlhz333
calls. jarrodw folds.

Flop (board: Ac Kd 9h):

montezuma21 checks. hlhz333 bets $7. montezuma21
folds. hlhz333 is returned $7 (uncalled).



Hand #37041367-172911 Summary:

$.55 is raked from a pot of $11.
hlhz333 wins $10.45.
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EMc
02-19-2007, 02:12 AM
Standard CB here.

Sam Spade
02-19-2007, 12:45 PM
I am new to NL, so any help here is appreciated. I CBet here 90% and then I am lost. What do you recommend if villain smoothcalls? Is a fold automatic to a raise?

Thanks.

EMc
02-19-2007, 12:50 PM
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I am new to NL, so any help here is appreciated. I CBet here 90% and then I am lost. What do you recommend if villain smoothcalls? Is a fold automatic to a raise?

Thanks.

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shut down without an 8.

Sam Spade
02-19-2007, 01:36 PM
Sorry to hijack, but cbets oop on are a real problem for me. If we hold JJ and the flop is 368r, we cbet villain smoothcalls. Turn is A. Bet 2/3 pot? C/F?

Montezuma21
02-20-2007, 11:27 AM
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Sorry to hijack, but cbets oop on are a real problem for me. If we hold JJ and the flop is 368r, we cbet villain smoothcalls. Turn is A. Bet 2/3 pot? C/F?

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This is HIGHLY villain dependant. w/o reads i might bet-fold.
against a very loose and passive donk who likes to play ace-rag. C-F
against a good player bet-fold all day.

interested to see what others have to say about this.

boycalledroy
02-20-2007, 11:35 AM
Totally player dependant for me. If I've been smashing people around IN POSITION and I dont have a hand OUT OF POSITION then I generally play it REALLY passively. If I have a monstor I continue with slapping them around.

If I was new to the table, I would probably cbet with "air" again and fold to a raise. I want people to see playing back at me will work, when they start doing it a lot, then I tighten up and play fewer hands but more aggressive.

Sam Spade
02-20-2007, 11:54 AM
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I want people to see playing back at me will work

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I like this as long as we play back with made hands and strong semibluffs.

Warteen
02-20-2007, 12:01 PM
C-betting high flops = $$$ when the opponent misses.

br.bm
02-20-2007, 01:12 PM
always cbet this
he will fold his KQ, KJ, suited connectors and small pockets.
If he calls give up on the turn.

BoozeHound
02-20-2007, 01:18 PM
this is something I've been wanting to put some more thought into.

In this particular scenario we actually have a lot more information than we often do. What we know:
Villain limped in early position
Villain is slightly LAG preflop
An EP limp is not an expected action from a LAG. The cards that each villain does this with are probably somewhat systematic.
This villain does not necessarily give up often to c-bets

What we would like to know to improve our decision:
How likely is villain to limp in EP with a suited ace?
How likely is villain to limp in EP with a low-med pocket pair?
How likely is villain to limp in EP with a suited connector or broadway?

Given no reads, I c-bet A high flops 99% of the time for less money than usual expecting to take it down almost every time when villain doesn't have an ace (on dry boards). Given an answer to any of the questions above I may modify that action.

BoozeHound
02-20-2007, 01:21 PM
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always cbet this
he will fold his KQ, KJ, suited connectors and small pockets.
If he calls give up on the turn.

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I don't think this villain (50% fold to c-bet) folds KQ or KJ without a second barrel ever. Not only that, but most LAG's don't IME.