Illegal Sex Ed' Method

[Skoob]

This is right out of Monty Python's The Meaning of Life...

Cliff's Notes:
Girl's (age 9) mother and mother's boyfriend teach girl about sex by performing sex and masturbating in front of her.

Article (http://www.projo.com/news/content/neglect10_02-10-07_3T4C0QV.1b19c86.html)

My only child is only 17 months, so I have a while before I need to worry too much about this. But it's in the back of my mind how I need to go about with his sex ed.

I'm certainly not going to allow him to watch me do anything (or anyone). I've heard of bringing the kids to the gyno exam. That's not going to happen either.

What about some porno? What if I found something tame? Not that I'm seriously considering this, but what if? Would I be arrested for showing my 9 y.o. a porno just once for a few minutes to say, "here's how it's done?"

How is viewing film any different than a graphical description? What about a few pages from Hustler?

How far is too far? Where's the line?

[Hopey]

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Would I be arrested for showing my 9 y.o. a porno just once for a few minutes to say, "here's how it's done?"


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[StepBangin]

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“sometimes she thought David was hurting her mom because when they were having sex her mom would make these noises that she thought were from pain,”

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That is so disturbing it is unbelievable. I hope these people get put away for a long time and raped infront of other inmates.

[ojc02]

You're the parent, "too far" should be decided by how much you think is too far. It's none of anyone else's business.

Ultimately if you "damage" your child by poorly teaching them, they're not gonna be procreating much and your poor parenting genes and memes will rapidly disappear. There should be a strong natural selection pressure here.

That said, I'm really not sure what the law says on this. I expect there's some totally arbitrary limit imposed.

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You're the parent, "too far" should be decided by how much you think is too far. It's none of anyone else's business.


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What if I decide that the best way to teach my daughter about sex is to have sex with her? Is that anyone else's business?

[madnak]

I'm definitely of two minds about this one. The end result in this case is probably that the girl got [censored] up. (At least she didn't just get [censored].)

One of those stories that makes me glad I'm just going to play it safe and never have kids.

[PLOlover]

I'm genuinely curious if the adults are mentally retarded.

Or perhaps on legal/illegal mind altering drugs.

[arahant]

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“sometimes she thought David was hurting her mom because when they were having sex her mom would make these noises that she thought were from pain,”

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That is so disturbing it is unbelievable. I hope these people get put away for a long time and raped infront of other inmates.

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Seems like an overreaction. It's just sex.
Would it be different if she accidentally walked in on them? If it was a son, and he hid in the closet and watched?
The likelihood of this kid being any more neurotic about sex than the wider public as a result of this is pretty slim. Though I assume the investigation and criminal outcome will be much more damaging.

[RainDog]

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You're the parent, "too far" should be decided by how much you think is too far. It's none of anyone else's business.


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What if I decide that the best way to teach my daughter about sex is to have sex with her? Is that anyone else's business?

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I don't advocate it, but no, it's nobody's business.
I might say it is morally wrong to raise a child this way, but it's a slippery slope. Maybe one should go to jail for over feeding their children, raising them Muslim or Christian, or driving over the speed limit with their children in their car.

Children are their parents' to raise. Anything else is an invasion of privacy. Malprogressive genes will not win out.

[Hopey]

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You're the parent, "too far" should be decided by how much you think is too far. It's none of anyone else's business.


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What if I decide that the best way to teach my daughter about sex is to have sex with her? Is that anyone else's business?

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I don't advocate it, but no, it's nobody's business.
I might say it is morally wrong to raise a child this way, but it's a slippery slope. Maybe one should go to jail for over feeding their children, raising them Muslim or Christian, or driving over the speed limit with their children in their car.

Children are their parents' to raise. Anything else is an invasion of privacy. Malprogressive genes will not win out.

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Ah. So you've been drinking the ACer's Kool-aid. Apparently one of its side-effects is that it makes you believe that raping your children is okay. They're your property after all.

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I don't advocate it, but no, it's nobody's business.
I might say it is morally wrong to raise a child this way, but it's a slippery slope. Maybe one should go to jail for over feeding their children, raising them Muslim or Christian, or driving over the speed limit with their children in their car.

Children are their parents' to raise. Anything else is an invasion of privacy. Malprogressive genes will not win out.

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Ah. So you've been drinking the ACer's Kool-aid. Apparently one of its side-effects is that it makes you believe that raping your children is okay. They're your property after all.


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He didn't say it was ok. He just said nobody else should be able to force them not to.

[IdealFugacity]

Why not just do it the old fashioned way? Talking not good enough anymore, too much sitting them in front of the television and ignoring them to have the skills to sit down and have a conversation?

[latefordinner]

WTF does genetics have to do with the rights of a child? If you kill your kid they're not going to be passing on your genes anytime soon either. and you know, a quick look at research might suggest that, i dunno, if your abuse your kid they are /more likely/ to become abusers in the future.

FWIW actual antiauthoritarian parents, whether of the AC or the libertarian socialist stripe would tend much more towards viewing kids as autonomous rational people on their own that can be trusted to be given information and make their own decisions, though not all take this as far as the Taking Children Seriously (TCS) camp...

[yukoncpa]

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How is viewing film any different than a graphical description? What about a few pages from Hustler?


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Well, I enjoyed reading Hustler when I was 9 ( but then I’m a guy ). This was back in the day when Larry Flynt actually ran things himself, before his wife got control and ran scratch and sniff issues and pictorials of castrated men. I very much enjoyed not only the pictures, but Mr. Flynt would run old ads of John Wayne as a young, good looking guy, hustling Marlboro cigarettes, then in the bottom of the ad, it would show John Wayne, withered and ugly right before he died of lung cancer. Other ads would show pictures of wrecked cars and mutilated corpses that were a result of drinking and driving. So I would say overall, that I had a very positive experience from my youthful perusal of Hustler. ( For what it’s worth )

[Duke]

I don't think this is any worse than indoctrinating them into a cult, and it's far less damaging. Despite being more disturbing, well...

[Hopey]

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I don't advocate it, but no, it's nobody's business.
I might say it is morally wrong to raise a child this way, but it's a slippery slope. Maybe one should go to jail for over feeding their children, raising them Muslim or Christian, or driving over the speed limit with their children in their car.

Children are their parents' to raise. Anything else is an invasion of privacy. Malprogressive genes will not win out.

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Ah. So you've been drinking the ACer's Kool-aid. Apparently one of its side-effects is that it makes you believe that raping your children is okay. They're your property after all.


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He didn't say it was ok. He just said nobody else should be able to force them not to.

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Fine, he said that you should be permitted to rape your children. My mistake.

[soon2bepro]

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Seems like an overreaction. It's just sex.

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The likelihood of this kid being any more neurotic about sex than the wider public as a result of this is pretty slim. Though I assume the investigation and criminal outcome will be much more damaging.

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[soon2bepro]

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Fine, he said that you should be permitted to rape your children. My mistake.

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Sex and children is a big taboo in our society. In fact all related to sex has been a big taboo for a very long time. There is nothing sick about children practicing sex. Normal children start masturbating at age 9-10, but have been estimulating themselves in similar ways even since little babies. It's nonsense to think a child can't choose whether to have sex or not, when they have enough intellectual capacity to choose on many other areas.

Of course the problem comes with rape, but it doesn't have to be that way. Parents and even strangers touch and caress children in many ways, and the children are usually much into it. If they're not, they just bear with it, or possibly reject it if it's too disturbing. There's nothing so special about sex, other than the taboo society places on it.

This taboo is so great, that I would say it damages children much, much more on average than the occasional additional rapes that would possibly exist if sex with children wasn't illegal.

In fact, I'm thinking that without this taboo, rapes and molestation of children would be much, much more uncommon, since children would be able to openly talk about it, and as we know, the vast majority of rapes and molestations to children happen in the home by a relative or a friend of the family.

[Hopey]

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Fine, he said that you should be permitted to rape your children. My mistake.

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Sex and children is a big taboo in our society. In fact all related to sex has been a big taboo for a very long time. There is nothing sick about children practicing sex. Normal children start masturbating at age 9-10, but have been estimulating themselves in similar ways even since little babies. It's nonsense to think a child can't choose whether to have sex or not, when they have enough intellectual capacity to choose on many other areas.

Of course the problem comes with rape, but it doesn't have to be that way. Parents and even strangers touch and caress children in many ways, and the children are usually much into it. If they're not, they just bear with it, or possibly reject it if it's too disturbing. There's nothing so special about sex, other than the taboo society places on it.

This taboo is so great, that I would say it damages children much, much more on average than the occasional additional rapes that would possibly exist if sex with children wasn't illegal.

In fact, I'm thinking that without this taboo, rapes and molestation of children would be much, much more uncommon, since children would be able to openly talk about it, and as we know, the vast majority of rapes and molestations to children happen in the home by a relative or a friend of the family.

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How long have you been a member of NAMBLA?

[madnak]

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Fine, he said that you should be permitted to rape your children. My mistake.

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Sex and children is a big taboo in our society. In fact all related to sex has been a big taboo for a very long time. There is nothing sick about children practicing sex. Normal children start masturbating at age 9-10, but have been estimulating themselves in similar ways even since little babies. It's nonsense to think a child can't choose whether to have sex or not, when they have enough intellectual capacity to choose on many other areas.

Of course the problem comes with rape, but it doesn't have to be that way. Parents and even strangers touch and caress children in many ways, and the children are usually much into it. If they're not, they just bear with it, or possibly reject it if it's too disturbing. There's nothing so special about sex, other than the taboo society places on it.

This taboo is so great, that I would say it damages children much, much more on average than the occasional additional rapes that would possibly exist if sex with children wasn't illegal.

In fact, I'm thinking that without this taboo, rapes and molestation of children would be much, much more uncommon, since children would be able to openly talk about it, and as we know, the vast majority of rapes and molestations to children happen in the home by a relative or a friend of the family.

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Fine, he said that you should be permitted to rape your children. My mistake.

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Sex and children is a big taboo in our society. In fact all related to sex has been a big taboo for a very long time. There is nothing sick about children practicing sex. Normal children start masturbating at age 9-10, but have been estimulating themselves in similar ways even since little babies. It's nonsense to think a child can't choose whether to have sex or not, when they have enough intellectual capacity to choose on many other areas.

Of course the problem comes with rape, but it doesn't have to be that way. Parents and even strangers touch and caress children in many ways, and the children are usually much into it. If they're not, they just bear with it, or possibly reject it if it's too disturbing. There's nothing so special about sex, other than the taboo society places on it.

This taboo is so great, that I would say it damages children much, much more on average than the occasional additional rapes that would possibly exist if sex with children wasn't illegal.

In fact, I'm thinking that without this taboo, rapes and molestation of children would be much, much more uncommon, since children would be able to openly talk about it, and as we know, the vast majority of rapes and molestations to children happen in the home by a relative or a friend of the family.

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How long have you been a member of NAMBLA?

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[PairTheBoard]

A lot of kids in a lot of places and a lot of times have lived with thier families - sometimes more than one family - in single room abodes where exposure to adults having sex was unavoidable.

Now that the State has removed that little girl from such unfit living conditions I wonder if she will fall into the care of good Chirstians who can teach her that her sinful mother is going to burn in hell where she will be tortured and tormented for ever and ever by a loving god. Thank heavens she won't have to endure any more psychological damage by living with her mother.

PairTheBoard

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NH Sir.

[DonkBluffer]

Child abuse is of course bad, and having sex with children is always child abuse. But sex and nudity by themselves are not bad. Sex is a natural, normal, good thing. All men have penises. All women have vaginas. ZOMG! Somehow, in the US, people have started believing that mere nudity is traumatizing...

I'm still waiting for the first American mother to sue herself for standing naked in front of a mirror.

[MaxWeiss]

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Fine, he said that you should be permitted to rape your children. My mistake.

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Sex and children is a big taboo in our society. In fact all related to sex has been a big taboo for a very long time. There is nothing sick about children practicing sex. Normal children start masturbating at age 9-10, but have been estimulating themselves in similar ways even since little babies. It's nonsense to think a child can't choose whether to have sex or not, when they have enough intellectual capacity to choose on many other areas.

Of course the problem comes with rape, but it doesn't have to be that way. Parents and even strangers touch and caress children in many ways, and the children are usually much into it. If they're not, they just bear with it, or possibly reject it if it's too disturbing. There's nothing so special about sex, other than the taboo society places on it.

This taboo is so great, that I would say it damages children much, much more on average than the occasional additional rapes that would possibly exist if sex with children wasn't illegal.

In fact, I'm thinking that without this taboo, rapes and molestation of children would be much, much more uncommon, since children would be able to openly talk about it, and as we know, the vast majority of rapes and molestations to children happen in the home by a relative or a friend of the family.

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How long have you been a member of NAMBLA?

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I doubt he looks like even a young Marlon Brando.

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[MaxWeiss]

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[MaxWeiss]

The girl is 11 or 12 now and needs to be questioned as to how this impacted her. It looks like this has only been done to a very small extent, but the girl openly talked about the fact with her teacher and the teacher said she didn't seem bothered by it or uncomfortable talking about it, and the girl said she didn't want to have her parents put away.

The girl does not seem to be damaged by the experiences. Do you really think these people have harmed her in such a vile manner that they should not be able to be around her???