Flopped FH, turn and river K K

[cyg]

Okay, so Villian has this stats: 38/15.1/1.94(179). Other than that I have no reads on him.

Stack sizes:
UTG: $58.20
CO: $33.80
Button: $118.80
cyg: $101.20
BB: $61.45

Pre-flop: (5 players) cyg is SB with 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif
3 folds, cyg calls, BB checks.

Flop: 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif 8/images/graemlins/club.gif Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif ($1, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">cyg bets $1</font>, BB calls.

Turn: K/images/graemlins/heart.gif ($3, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">cyg bets $3</font>, BB calls.

River: K/images/graemlins/club.gif ($9, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">cyg bets $4.5</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $15.5</font>, cyg folds.
Uncalled bets: $11 returned to BB.

Results:
Final pot: $18

How do I proceed here? Is he holding KQ?

[Hank Scorpio]

Standard, except for your large bets on the flop and turn with the nuts.

[kurto]

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Standard, except for your large bets on the flop and turn with the nuts.

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???

[cyg]

i dont understand either. /images/graemlins/blush.gif

[kurto]

Hi.

To be honest with you, I don't have the answer to the river for certainty without being there. My default is to pay the guy off. If he runner runnered me (or had QQ) then so be it.

Regarding your bets... I'm betting as much as someone will call there. I'd push the flop if I thought someone would call it. I can't for the life of me figure out what the other guy was saying.

[WarhammerIIC]

How does he have the nuts on the flop or turn?

[Unknown Soldier]

he has close to it, I don't understand why you wouldn't want to build a pot up with a monster. As played this is a close call. Your river bet says "I have an 8, please let me see a cheap showdown" depends on reads really, but it's very close for an unknown and probably a call. The only K I can put him on is K8, KQ he would have raise pf most of the time.

[sputum]

TBH I would call that river bet and hope for a split /images/graemlins/blush.gif Can't see being beaten here often.
Flop and turn are fine. I might (probably would, although I'm not advocating it as correct) check river but I'm calling pretty much any bet he makes. What can he have?
AhKx - possible-ish.
8x - most likely imo.
Qx - mebbe. KQ would be a sickener.
Some stupid flush? 9HTH?
I just cannot convince myself he beats me that often.

[Bladet__]

I c/c that river

[erbbysam]

that same exact thing happen to me in a live .25/.25 game. you really shouldn't be betting like that on the river, it's definitly a ROI situation and the only way your going to win is small if he just has an A or he's going to push into you and you'll lose big to a K here, like I did when I made a horrible $10 river call /images/graemlins/laugh.gif.

[KurtSF]

Any king beats you, and that's what he's got. Stupid river, and nice fold.

[Hank Scorpio]

Lemme explain my earlier post.

First off, I realize we don't have the hypothetical nuts, but we have the nuts.

Second, by betting I mean your bet on the turn is too large. Just make it two thirds or even one half of the pot because he might be chasing a flush. I realize you want the pot to be large with a FH, but there isn't much you can do if he's just calling you down in an unraised pot.

Finally, on the river I would bet $6 instead as it makes you more aware of where you stand if he does raise.

[h0ser]

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I c/c that river

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With this river I would want to see a showdown as cheaply as possible and you're not losing much value in this situation by not betting.

[barycentric]

Why is it a bad thing to get a lot of money in the pot when villain will call anyway and is drawing nearly dead?

[BobAllinSki]

Check the river, there is some value there but not enough to re-open the betting, plus a check likely creates some bluff equity as a queen may try to steal what they expect to be a split pot.

[benlj21]

anyone consider overbetting, say, $5-6 on the turn?

[Genz]

I don't like your preflop play. I'd feel incredibly dirty if I open-completed with that in 6max. If you want to play that hand oop, don't let him in with 52o. If you don't want to play that hand oop, fold.

Flop and turn are ok. If villain is a calling station, you can overbet for value, certainly. But I think a psb in an unraised pot is just fine.
River is teh sux0rz, obviously. I c/c here unless he pushes or makes a big overbet or something.

[avfletch]

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Okay, so Villian has this stats: 38/15.1/1.94(179). Other than that I have no reads on him.

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180 hands and no reads other than his stats, how come?

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Stack sizes:
UTG: $58.20
CO: $33.80
Button: $118.80
cyg: $101.20
BB: $61.45

Pre-flop: (5 players) cyg is SB with 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif
3 folds, cyg calls, BB checks.


Flop: 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif 8/images/graemlins/club.gif Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif ($1, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">cyg bets $1</font>, BB calls.

Turn: K/images/graemlins/heart.gif ($3, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">cyg bets $3</font>, BB calls.



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I'm interested to know what people think villains range is at this point.

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River: K/images/graemlins/club.gif ($9, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">cyg bets $4.5</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $15.5</font>, cyg folds.
Uncalled bets: $11 returned to BB.



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A read would be good about now but most likely I'll check/call this. Don't see him having KQ here ever, he'd raise that preflop. K8 is possible and would certainly fit a donktastic slow play but other than that he could have A8 or a flush and read your bet for weakness.

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Results:
Final pot: $18

How do I proceed here? Is he holding KQ?

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[Genz]

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180 hands and no reads other than his stats, how come?


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I for one multitable with a lot of overlap. So this is not uncommon...

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I'm interested to know what people think villains range is at this point.


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Any Q, any K, any heart, any 8. If he could hold PPs depends on his calling tendencies/WTS.

[cyg]

hm, you're right about the riverbet. I made it look too weak, but I think he got at least a King there.

and yeah, I should have raised that preflop.
thanks for your advices guys.