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TheSalche

02-09-2007, 01:53 AM

Both against same villain, hes running 30/3/3.5 over 30 hands. For the first one, should I check this turn and either induce a bluff or make it easier for me to value bet the river. In the second hand should I just fold it on that wet flop? Fold even harder on the turn?

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BB ($77.95)
Hero ($58)
MP ($13)
CO ($12.70)
Button ($44.65)
SB ($9.15)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, Button calls $2, 2 folds.

Flop: ($4.75) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $3.5, Button calls $3.50.

Turn: ($11.75) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $9

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SB ($85.70)
Hero ($62.95)
UTG ($11.50)
MP ($7.60)
CO ($50.50)
Button ($15.85)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
2 folds, CO calls $0.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.5, CO calls $2.

Flop: ($5.25) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $3.5, CO raises to $8.5, Hero calls $5.

Turn: ($22.25) A/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $10, Hero calls $10.

River: ($42.25) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $29.5 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: $71.75

homanga

02-09-2007, 01:55 AM

Hand 1 fine,
Hand 2, if he's 3-bet you before i go over top with a push sometimes a read thing. Fold as played on turn. The call on flop says you dont like your hand

Rollos

02-09-2007, 02:01 AM

On hand 1 I would either bet smaller (5-7) or check. In this case I would check since villian is a LAG.
Hand 2 is a bitch. If this is the first time he has done this I just fold. In fact, I would need a strong read on him in order to continue, and I would three-bet.

TheSalche

02-09-2007, 02:35 AM

any other thoughts here? hand 2 definite fold?

rollos - i dont know if id classify villain as a LAG so much as loose passive

eigenvalue

02-09-2007, 06:02 AM

Hand 1: Yeah, mix it up. Sometimes I bet and sometimes I check to induce bluffs. It's all fun to insta-call the bluffer on the river.

Hand 2: Nooooooo - never call here on the flop. This is the worst thing you can do! Depending on your table image and reads on Villain, either shove (if you put him on a draw) or fold (if he raises with solid hands only). By default and without seeing that bad Turn and River, it's more likely a shove than a fold.

JadeRedstone

02-09-2007, 08:32 AM

Hand 1 : with this board very few hands pay you if villain has any sense. If you are lucky enough he has AK-AJ. if you are very unlucky he has A's, K's or JT.

Hand 2 : without reads, its a hard call. He either had a medium pair, a set or a pair with a draw. You can't call this flop, either you reraise or fold. In micro levels I raise every time. More often then not, they have 10's here.
as played I lead the turn, this A is as scary to him as it is to you. If he raise again, its an easy fold. You can't c/c the turn unless you are trapping him.

ticks

02-09-2007, 10:16 AM

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any other thoughts here? hand 2 definite fold?

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With four to a straight and an ace on the board... yeah, fold. Hand 1 is standard. Checkraising turn is ok too, though I prefer betting out, as many weakish aces will check behind but call a bet.

VPIP100

02-09-2007, 10:45 AM

Hand 2: Flop, push or fold imho. What are you hoping to see on the turn/river?

CrazyEyez

02-09-2007, 11:36 AM

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For the first one, should I check this turn and either induce a bluff

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You said he's loose/passive - if he doesn't have an A, he's not betting. If he has one, he's calling. So just bet.

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or make it easier for me to value bet the river.

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Once in awhile I will check this turn in order to get a non-ace to call a river bet. Two of my hud stats are "fold to flop bet" and "went to SD." If they are both low (calls a lot of flops, folds a lot of turns/rivers) it tells me a) he could be calling the flop without an ace and b) he's likely to fold if I bet the turn. So I check turn, bet river, he calles with some middle pair.

Speedlimits

02-09-2007, 11:43 AM

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Both against same villain, hes running 30/3/3.5 over 30 hands. For the first one, should I check this turn and either induce a bluff or make it easier for me to value bet the river. In the second hand should I just fold it on that wet flop? Fold even harder on the turn?

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BB ($77.95)
Hero ($58)
MP ($13)
CO ($12.70)
Button ($44.65)
SB ($9.15)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, Button calls $2, 2 folds.

Flop: ($4.75) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $3.5, Button calls $3.50.

Turn: ($11.75) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $9

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SB ($85.70)
Hero ($62.95)
UTG ($11.50)
MP ($7.60)
CO ($50.50)
Button ($15.85)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
2 folds, CO calls $0.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.5, CO calls $2.

Flop: ($5.25) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $3.5, CO raises to $8.5, Hero calls $5.

Turn: ($22.25) A/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $10, Hero calls $10.

River: ($42.25) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $29.5 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: $71.75

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Hand #1 fine. Hand #2 3bet flop.