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fooz
02-07-2007, 02:33 AM
MP is 21/5/1.8

Full Tilt Poker
$0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Ring Game
6 Players
LegoPoker Hand Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh)

<font color="black">Stack Sizes</font>
UTG: $20.20
MP: $19.85
CO: $24.05
BTN: $22.90
Hero (SB): $24.05
BB: $19.2

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> K/images/graemlins/club.gif A/images/graemlins/spade.gif ($0.35, 6 players)
UTG calls $0.25, MP calls $0.25, CO folds, BTN folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.50</font>, BB folds, UTG calls $1.25, <font color="red">MP raises to $2.75</font>, Hero calls $1.25, UTG calls $1.25

<font color="black">Flop:</font> K/images/graemlins/heart.gif 9/images/graemlins/club.gif 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif ($8.5, 3 players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $8</font>

I figure I can narrow the MP to a big pocket pair. AA (3 ways), KK (1 way), QQ (6 ways), JJ (6 ways)...maybe JJ is less likely.

So do you like betting out on the Flop or check raising? ..or something else entirely.
fooz
02-07-2007, 02:48 AM
I guess another thing to consider is the player in between. If I check-raise the Flop, and Mr. UTG's flopped a set, I'm in trouble. Also, it seems with a CR I potentially lose lots more when behind, but only win a little more when ahead.

...still liking my line, just looking for confirmation.
and12006
02-07-2007, 02:52 AM
I'd raise more PF to about 2.50 but betting on the flop is good, though a check raise might let you know better where you stand because if someone goes AI then you know your beat and you don't have to lose anymore money with TPTK.
fooz
02-07-2007, 10:33 AM
Why such a big raise pre?

And check-raising the flop just to "see where I stand" seems expensive.
Lordy
02-07-2007, 12:05 PM
Fold pre-flop unless you have a read.

a 21/5 is almost never 3-betting light, and you're looking at QQ+/AK most of the time.
WarhammerIIC
02-07-2007, 12:08 PM
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Fold pre-flop unless you have a read.

a 21/5 is almost never 3-betting light, and you're looking at QQ+/AK most of the time.

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Raising and then folding to what is essentially a min-reraise?
StukOnStupid
02-07-2007, 12:33 PM
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I figure I can narrow the MP to a big pocket pair. AA (3 ways), KK (1 way), QQ (6 ways), JJ (6 ways)...maybe JJ is less likely.

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Why not add AK (6 ways)?

I would just make my standard cb with the intention of getting it all in at some point. I don't have a problem with the pot sized bet, except I think you lose the hands you are way ahead of.
drugged
02-07-2007, 12:45 PM
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I figure I can narrow the MP to a big pocket pair. AA (3 ways), KK (1 way), QQ (6 ways), JJ (6 ways)...maybe JJ is less likely.

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Why not add AK (6 ways)?

I would just make my standard cb with the intention of getting it all in at some point. I don't have a problem with the pot sized bet, except I think you lose the hands you are way ahead of.

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Agreed, I would bet less on the flop. The PSB doesn't bring UTG along for the ride. Also at this level, Villian may just call the $8 bet with AA, putting you in the dark on the turn. I would be interested in seeing the rest of this hand though.
Lordy
02-07-2007, 12:50 PM
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Fold pre-flop unless you have a read.

a 21/5 is almost never 3-betting light, and you're looking at QQ+/AK most of the time.

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Raising and then folding to what is essentially a min-reraise?

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Villains stats are 21/5. What do you think he's 3-betting with ? It's almost only QQ+/AK

Now look at what happens post-flop with AK against this range :
- A high flop. AA stacks you, KK and QQ aren't putting much money in.
- K high flop. AA and KK stack you, QQ isn't putting much money in.
- Any other flop. You c/f.
fooz
02-07-2007, 03:44 PM
I'm still curious what others think about this situation. Lordy, I hear you: it seems very likely that I will either lose a lot or win a little post-flop; but to fold pre-flop to a minraise seems ludicrous.

If I picked up on the fact that someone was doing that, it'd be very easy to start running them over pre-flop.
WarhammerIIC
02-07-2007, 03:47 PM
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Villains stats are 21/5. What do you think he's 3-betting with ? It's almost only QQ+/AK

Now look at what happens post-flop with AK against this range :
- A high flop. AA stacks you, KK and QQ aren't putting much money in.
- K high flop. AA and KK stack you, QQ isn't putting much money in.
- Any other flop. You c/f.

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All I know is, if I see someone folding to a preflop min-reraise, I'm min-reraising them a LOT.