AQ in RR pot

[als33]

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CO ($11.25)
Button ($61.85)
SB ($25.05)
Hero ($69.85)
UTG ($91.35)
MP ($16.80)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls $2, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $7.5</font>, UTG calls $5.50, Button folds.

Flop: ($17.25) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $15.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $83.85</font>.
Hero...

Villain is 25/12 over about 100 hands. Has been fairly aggressive both pre and post flop, trying to push me around.

[Hank Scorpio]

Fold

[Caelallaiach]

In my opinion you only want to re-raise with AQ here if Villain is raising light, or to mix up your play, but with the button calling, I personally prefer a flat call pre-flop .

Given your information I don't think Villain is raising light here. 25/12 is not THAT aggressive pre-flop and an UTG raise demands more respect than a CO or Button raise. So that's why I prefer a call, but a raise is okay too I guess sometimes.

As played I think a fold is correct, he could be doing this with the Kc only, but he could have a set or AK a lot of the time here too.

[raistlinx]

Fold preflop

[Unknown Soldier]

no don't rr or call, I call most of the time. Folding is faaaaaaaar too nitty. As played pretty easy fold really.

[raistlinx]

You can't be any better than a coin flip pf with two callers and you are OOP against both of them. How can you call it pf and expect to make money over the long run? Calling here sounds like what Ed Miller calls "POOPS" to me

[Unknown Soldier]

by out playing them post flop, probably having any other ace dominated. AQo is a very strong hand

[als33]

Reraising AQ out of position, especially with the button cold call, is standard... I'm doing this 99% of the time. I have zero interest in playing this hand out of position and the button's call is creating dead money most of the time. With no club, I agree the fold after getting raised on the flop is fairly straight foward... My main issue is whether to check or bet this flop.

[raistlinx]

I just noticed this is a six handed table not full-ring. I missed that first time through. Full-ring I would be folding this hand.

[Caelallaiach]

Interesting that we disagree on the pre-flop play. The way I see it is that a 25/12 player's raising range UTG at a 6 max table is something like AT+,99+,KQ+ and AQ sits near the middle of that range. I understand what you are saying about raising because you don't want to play the hand out of position, but this is something that confuses me because there is a good chance you will get a call, so then you are playing a bigger pot out of position as opposed to a smaller one had you just called.

Having said that, a raise does mean you take the lead in the hand, okay, okay, I'm warming to the raise idea somewhat. I think whether you fold/raise/call is a close decision here, so maybe your table image over the last couple of orbits should dictate what you go for - will your raise end the hand?

Anyway, as for the flop, I think you definitely want to lead out here because if you check, what do you do if he bets? Check-fold seems weak, check-raise I guess will let you know whether you are beat but is expensive and check-call is yuck because if he is on a draw you give him a free card and what's your play on the turn?

[WarhammerIIC]

I don't think reraising AQo OOP is "standard". In this situation, again, like many other posts today, re-raising put you in a situation on the flop where you basically have to bet no matter what. Unless the flop comes very good for you, you're in trouble if someone comes over the top. Here, you obviously couldn't check the flop, and had to make a large c-bet. Had you just called preflop, your c-bet would have been much smaller, and the hand would have been much easier to play post-flop.

I don't know about you, but I don't want to play big pots with hands like AQo out of position. I know it's 6-max, but I think you're just asking for trouble if you don't win the pot immediately.

[als33]

All who say don't RR are being results oriented basing this decision on the fact that villain called. Advantages to RRing: RR takes down pot pre-flop most of the time. If villain doesn't fold, RR isolates, creating dead money and a significant better chance of winning the hand.

Quote: "I don't know about you, but I don't want to play big pots with hands like AQo out of position."

...EXACTLY the point of RRing in the first place. It is "standard" because it is +EV %100 time barring specific reads or history.

[Leviathan101]

I reraise with AQo here sometimes, not always. I'd actually be a bit inclined to fold from UTG raise followed by caller. I dont think I ever flat call. Calling AQ OOP here sucks imo. You have almost no idea where you stand postflop. Against a tight player, I 3 bet less frequently, and I don't think I would choose this place as one of them. Depends how I feel at the moment.

Bet/fold flop. He could have KxKc and could also have AxKc, either way you're an underdog against his range.

[WarhammerIIC]

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All who say don't RR are being results oriented basing this decision on the fact that villain called. Advantages to RRing: RR takes down pot pre-flop most of the time. If villain doesn't fold, RR isolates, creating dead money and a significant better chance of winning the hand.

Quote: "I don't know about you, but I don't want to play big pots with hands like AQo out of position."

...EXACTLY the point of RRing in the first place. It is "standard" because it is +EV %100 time barring specific reads or history.

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How often do you see a player raise UTG and then fold to a re-raise from a player OOP? Especially a UTG raiser with those stats?

[Vyse]

This is a very interesting decision, and tbh I'm not sure which I'd do -- they all have a lot of advantages. I'm inclined to either fold or raise rather than call.

[nuts]

I think a call here preflop is horrible. You're at the bottom of his range here, remember his 12% pfr is probably much smaller than 12% because he's utg rather than in later position.

I'm not too big a fan of the raise here either, unless you think he will fold because he's not sure about button (squeeze play), this is opponent specific, but generally I just fold.

You don't want to play a marginal hand out of position in a raised pot. (and AQo is very marginal after an utg raise).

[als33]

This is 6 max guys.... UTG raise is not KK+ 99% time. Folding is nitty as hell. Obviously flat call is awful.

[als33]

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How often do you see a player raise UTG and then fold to a re-raise from a player OOP? Especially a UTG raiser with those stats?

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All day baby.

[Caelallaiach]

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I think a call here preflop is horrible. You're at the bottom of his range here, remember his 12% pfr is probably much smaller than 12% because he's utg rather than in later position.

I'm not too big a fan of the raise here either, unless you think he will fold because he's not sure about button (squeeze play), this is opponent specific, but generally I just fold.

You don't want to play a marginal hand out of position in a raised pot. (and AQo is very marginal after an utg raise).

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I see your point.

If the button is not in the hand, do you still fold to the UTG raise, or would you then raise?