KK vs donkey

[BoozeHound]

When I raise a donk bettor on a dry board, and they do it again I always get a little careful.

What's my line against a donk betting 52/8/0.7?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif K/images/graemlins/spade.gif
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $1</font>, 3 folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: 4/images/graemlins/club.gif 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif ($3, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $0.75</font>, BB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: T/images/graemlins/heart.gif ($4.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $1</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $5</font>, SB calls.

River: 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif ($14.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $5</font>, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $24.5

[AKQJ10]

Looks fine to me. AF = 0.7 is pretty passive but would probably still bet a good queen here until facing resistance. He's got "something", but is his something better than yours? Turn -- small bet because he's less sure he's good and because he thinks of bets in absolute terms. River -- he probably has you beat and is value betting. However, getting 4:1 you certainly can't fold KK here without a good read, can you?

[BoozeHound]

yeah, the AF is the thing that threw me the most. Also, I have a note that villain donk-bet a 2-tone board and folded to my raise.

[AKQJ10]

One way to look at it is this: If Villain was set-mining here, he only got 10:1. That's close to break-even but not quite enough, really, because occasionally you'll make an overset or freak straight/flush.

As long as you're not laying immense implied odds to a set, you're OK. Make a note how he played this and learn. If you can always fold here against this line from this opponent, $5 minus p(your hand is good here) isn't much to pay for that info.

[wall_st]

What are stack sizes here ? If he is short im inclined to raise the flop instead of waiting till the turn.

Does anyone else want to raise the river, i feel like villan would call with counterfeited two pairs and a single q as well ?

[BoozeHound]

Thanks AKQJ10

Anyone take a different line here? raise the flop? get it in quick?

Anyone raise the river? Villain probably doesn't push anything but a set. will villain call JJ,99 here? call with a Q?

[EMc]

Im raising on that flop but I also raise pretty much every donkbetter into me.

[Vyse]

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I also raise pretty much every donkbetter into me.

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Why?

[AKQJ10]

Sorry, i missed the counterfeit in my analysis above. I think that makes it less likely that he has you beat, of course. But who knows, maybe he thinks that his AQ has improved because now he has "two pair."

I like calling the flop and am learning to do it more. What are you trying to protect against? Probably a five-out draw with a pair. If you expect him to bet again, that's a good way to play a reasonably safe overpair.

[EMc]

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I also raise pretty much every donkbetter into me.

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Why?

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Villains at this level will slowplay any real hand and will often fold to aggression.

[BoozeHound]

can I apply the read of how villain played a donk-bet on a flush board to the current situation on an uncoordinated board? Seems silly to generalize too much, but added caution is probably in order, right?

Also, I can see raising the flop for meta game if villain is paying attention and I think I can pick up more flops by raising donk bets with my good hands too, but this villain can't possibly be thinking that deeply can he?

Also, this is not quite a min donk-bet, which I probably raise every time too, although it's not far off at .75 into a $3 pot.

[gir]

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I also raise pretty much every donkbetter into me.

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Why?

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In this scenario, I don't mind your play that much (considering how aggressive he is), but generally, I do too. Especially weak ones. I just pretend like they didn't bet at all and just pot it. Often enough, they're just trying to prevent me from c-betting and will do it with anything. They'll see I'm raising and almost always run away with their tails between their legs. If it's a PSB donk and I have AQ on a K83 rainbow board, I'll toss it about 75% of the time and call to bet the turn or possibly raise the other 25%.

[BoozeHound]

Also, if you raise flop are you raising turn and river too if villain continues to donk bet? villain's bet sizes are increasing, if very slowly. are you playing for stacks here?

[EMc]

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Also, if you raise flop are you raising turn and river too if villain continues to donk bet? villain's bet sizes are increasing, if very slowly. are you playing for stacks here?

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Felting this hand with this board texture, if a mistake at all, is minimal.

[BoozeHound]

This is the exact board texture I DON'T felt on most of the time.

I assume that is not the case if raised, right? This villain doesn't raise.

[EMc]

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This is the exact board texture I DON'T felt on most of the time.

I assume that is not the case if raised, right? This villain doesn't raise.

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How many hands is this read over. His stats to me suggest call-station, lets let the call station call. If villain had more than a weak queen on the flop id be genuinely surprized.