$1700 from blackjack whoring?

[zgall1]

I'm looking to make about $1700 doing some blackjack whoring (it's for a specific purpose as there is no way I'd put the time in otherwise). How many hours should this take and what should my initial stake be to prevent myself from going broke in case I hit a bad run right at the beginning?

[matt85]

Start with about $200 and you should be ok.

Should take no more than 2 weeks payouts dependent.

www.beatingbonuses.com (http://www.beatingbonuses.com) belongs to someone on here and its a pretty good site for helping you on your way.

[ACEFISH]

I am new to casino whoring and would appreciate any help to the following questions....how many BJ hands can u play in an hour ....whats the best BJ game variation to whore ...can u open multiple BJ variations and multitable ? tx

[Charlotte79]

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www.beatingbonuses.com (http://www.beatingbonuses.com) belongs to someone on here and its a pretty good site for helping you on your way.

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Are all these casinos eligible?

[matt85]

Think so yes.

[shabun]

You can't multitable BJ but you can open a multihand table and play 3-5 hands per deal.

I think I manage about 400 hands/hour on fast software but it depends on the software

[Jeff_B]

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You can't multitable BJ but you can open a multihand table and play 3-5 hands per deal.

I think I manage about 400 hands/hour on fast software but it depends on the software

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you could but since youre not waiting for any other players to make decisions it wouldnt be very smart..

[Ray Of Light]

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I'm looking to make about $1700 doing some blackjack whoring (it's for a specific purpose as there is no way I'd put the time in otherwise). How many hours should this take and what should my initial stake be to prevent myself from going broke in case I hit a bad run right at the beginning?

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I have been clearing casino bonuses for over two years now, and from my records, I find that whilst betting $2 per hand (one hand at a time, not multihand); I clear BJ bonuses at a rate of around £10 per hour ($18). I average around 250-350 hands per hour (depending on the software).

So to make around $1700, you are looking at about 94-95 hours work in total.

Provided you don't mind waiting a bit for certain cashouts, you can start with an intial stake of as little as $50... but if you want to make this money quite quickly (over a 3-4 week period of time), you would be better off starting with $500-$1000.

That will give you more financial flexibility and allow you to start off with one or two of the larger more profitable casino bonuses (like the VC Casino £250 bonus or the SkyBetCasino £250 bonus offer).

Also, there are bonuses out there that can't be cleared with blackjack, but can be profitably cleared with 3 Card Poker (low variance) or video poker (high variance)... and those have great returns too (and can be quicker to clear).

[Charlotte79]

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Also, there are bonuses out there that can't be cleared with blackjack, but can be profitably cleared with 3 Card Poker (low variance) or video poker (high variance)... and those have great returns too (and can be quicker to clear).



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Do you know which game has a lower variance and is a better option for clearing a bonus - 3 Card Poker or Texas Hold'em Shooutout?
Cheers

[Ray Of Light]

Texas Hold'em Shooutout is the better option for profitability because it has 100% payout (so basically, you'll break even in the long run using correct strategy).

But I think 3CP is better in terms of variance... also I prefer 3CP because it is stooopidly easy to play, and real fast.

[BrickWall]

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That will give you more financial flexibility and allow you to start off with one or two of the larger more profitable casino bonuses (like the VC Casino £250 bonus or the SkyBetCasino £250 bonus offer).

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I see that Skybet does not use NETeller. How easy/difficult is it to withdraw from them? I have bad experiences with others when using a credit card to deposit.

[Ray Of Light]

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That will give you more financial flexibility and allow you to start off with one or two of the larger more profitable casino bonuses (like the VC Casino £250 bonus or the SkyBetCasino £250 bonus offer).

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I see that Skybet does not use NETeller. How easy/difficult is it to withdraw from them? I have bad experiences with others when using a credit card to deposit.

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If you are using a credit card or debit card, (as I do), it is very, very easy to withdraw and deposit into skybetcasino... they use a similar transaction system to Virgin Casino and BlueSquare Casino.

[jogumon]

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Texas Hold'em Shooutout is the better option for profitability because it has 100% payout (so basically, you'll break even in the long run using correct strategy).

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Is there someplace I can find the correct strategy, and the exact house advantage. I know I've had good results playing this at WagerWorks casinos, but I'd like to see the actual numbers, and proper strategy somewhere, if it exists.

[Swede]

whore away

[BBKPoker]

Ugh. 2 years of betting $2/hand?

Why not just get a job at McDonald's?

[Ray Of Light]

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Ugh. 2 years of betting $2/hand?

Why not just get a job at McDonald's?

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I find that by having one casino table open, (alongside three poker tables); I earn much more in one day, from rakeback/prop pay/casino bonuses, than I would in a whole week of flipping burgers for McCorporation.

Its a grind at times, but I truly enjoy what I do, and I am willing to play a patient game for steady returns...

... but I guess each to their own...

[Ray Of Light]

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Texas Hold'em Shooutout is the better option for profitability because it has 100% payout (so basically, you'll break even in the long run using correct strategy).

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Is there someplace I can find the correct strategy, and the exact house advantage. I know I've had good results playing this at WagerWorks casinos, but I'd like to see the actual numbers, and proper strategy somewhere, if it exists.

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This is the trouble that I have about Texas Shootout... I don't know where I can find a strategy chart, although the claim (by the casino) is that it has a 100% payout.

Try searching around http://wizardofodds.com/ ... they have a lot of different gambling strategy charts there...

[Ryanski]

Hey Ray of Light(or anyone else that can answer):

Would you care to share how much you make on average per month just from blackjack? I've done most of the reliable casinos' sign-up bonuses, so I don't have much more flexibility there, and there seem to be very few monthly bonuses to hit(and they aren't worth much).

Basically this month, I did the GBP 25 from totesport, and the intercasino 100, but there doesn't seem much else RELIABLE(no hassles to cash out, I know I'm going to get my money etc.) out there.

Oh, and I'm from Canada.

Thanks,

Ryan

[Ray Of Light]

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Hey Ray of Light(or anyone else that can answer):

Would you care to share how much you make on average per month just from blackjack? I've done most of the reliable casinos' sign-up bonuses, so I don't have much more flexibility there, and there seem to be very few monthly bonuses to hit(and they aren't worth much).

Basically this month, I did the GBP 25 from totesport, and the intercasino 100, but there doesn't seem much else RELIABLE(no hassles to cash out, I know I'm going to get my money etc.) out there.

Oh, and I'm from Canada.

Thanks,

Ryan

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It depends... from monthly bonuses, I earn upwards of $1000 per month from blackjack bonuses alone; when you include three card poker and video poker casino bonuses, the monthly earn rate tends to start from $2200 per month.

And finally, when you mix in the various sign-up bonuses (and the semi-regular one off bonus offers that get sent by email), I am then looking at $3500 per month upwards.

My best month from casino offers alone, saw me profit $5700 in a month... $1000 of which was made in one (glorious) day.

But bare in mind, that I work full time hours (40 hours a week) and I am quite aggressive in searching for and snapping up the multitude of bonuses on offer.

Also, I would never do the casino bonuses just on their own. I also earn poker rake back, clear poker bonuses and earn prop pay; I also snap up the many various sports betting bonuses; place sports arbitrage bets and finally, I also earn my poker win-rate profits too.

By diversifying my gambling, so far I have tended to have steady months of gambling profit, and have never had a negative month so far (touch wood). So I would recommend that you do the same, and do more than just blackjack bonuses.

When it comes to depositing and cashing out... I have always used my debit card and have never used Neteller. Being from the UK, I am not charged any fees for this method and I only lose money on the £/$ exchange rate. So unless you yourself use a debit card, I'm not too sure that I can give you advice on cashing out.

However, my casino cashing out experience so far has been absolutely steller... I have only been worried about getting my money out twice, during my whole online gambling career... and both times the situation was rectified; apologies were given; and most importantly, my money was returned.

I think if you are really worried about gaining access to your money, the best advice, is not to wrap up too much of your bankroll in any single online casino/poker room for now. And I hate to say it but, avoid casinos that are heavily reliant on a US customer base for the time being... at least until the dust settles with the whole current legal situation. I know of at least two UK based friends who are still smarting from the BetonSports situation.

Still, online gambling is big enough outside the US, that established European casinos aren't going to be folding overnight, so take full advantage of these ones (Paddypower, Bluesquarecasino, Skybetcasino, Virgincasino, Will Hill and so on). But still be wary about smaller/newer casino outfits, and always check the casinomeister website forums before deciding to deposit into a casino (to check if other people have had problems with that casino).

[Ryanski]

Wow, thanks for the great reply, it answered a lot of questions. I have not played any 3 card poker, so will definitely have to look into that. Sounds like you're doing very well - good luck in the future.

Thanks again,

Ryan

[GutPunch]

Is it still possible for US players to whore casinos? Also, is it (was it ever?) possible if you live in one of the "restricted" states(illinois)???

thanks

[Ray Of Light]

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Is it still possible for US players to whore casinos? Also, is it (was it ever?) possible if you live in one of the "restricted" states(illinois)???

thanks

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I sat down and checked this out recently, and it seems that if you live in the US, you can still make good money casino bonus hunting... provided that you can fund your casino account.

Just remember to check the T&C's for each casino VERY carefully beforehand (although, if you are in one of the 'restricted' states, you would be breaking the law, as the law in those states is very clear about online gambling being illegal, as far as I know).

[Freakin]

I can't believe anyone even bothers whoring casinos for $10-20 an hour. My hourly rate is 10-20 times that and it still seems like a grind sometimes.

I honestly can't believe anyone could still be betting $2/hand after 2 years. I've been doing this for 2 years and I'm betting $200/hand and it still clears the WR too slow.

[hogua]

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I've been doing this for 2 years and I'm betting $200/hand and it still clears the WR too slow.

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I heard you should never bet more than $2 a hand to avoid variance. Aren't you ever afraid of busting a bonus? I mean $200 a hand...that just sounds crazy.

[sashaben]

The usual bonus is about $100-$300.

I'd imagine you'd bust almost every time, no?

[Reef]

I'd rather play min-bet hold em than clear a decent sized bonus at $2/hand (and I hate min-bet).. but then again US casino stuff has been dead for quite awhile.

[Homer]

Can I get in on the $100/hand circle jerk?

[Ray Of Light]

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I'd rather play min-bet hold em than clear a decent sized bonus at $2/hand (and I hate min-bet).. but then again US casino stuff has been dead for quite awhile.

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I have a friend who bets anywhere from $25 to $80 a hand (or round), when clearing casino bonuses... on a good month, he is up by as much as £6700 (around $12000) and on a bad month he can be down by as much as £4500 (roughly $9000).

Clearly, he is profiting in the long run, since he plays correct strategy... but those are some pretty big swings.

For me, casino bonuses are a welcome addition to my poker bankroll, but I do not want the inevitable variance of casino bonuses, to cause any kind of significant dent to my poker bankroll, at any time, (especially when I am experiencing a downswing). Losing one forth of my bankroll in a month, to casino bonuses, would be a significant dent.

That is why I've never been tempted to bet big when clearing casino bonuses... my bankroll is for playing poker first and foremost, with casino bonuses simply being just that... a nice bonus...

[livinitup0]

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I can't believe anyone even bothers whoring casinos for $10-20 an hour. My hourly rate is 10-20 times that and it still seems like a grind sometimes.

I honestly can't believe anyone could still be betting $2/hand after 2 years. I've been doing this for 2 years and I'm betting $200/hand and it still clears the WR too slow.

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lol if I had to clear the hundreds of casino bonuses I did in my time with $2 bets Id still be doing them 6-8 months later....and seriously after checking the math, I dont think this is much of an exaggeration.

LOL 1K on a "great" day? Most halfway serious bonus hunters (and most of us are gone) have 2-3K days on a consistent basis....that's what betting a whole lot of money can do....I can take your 4-5 hour bonus and do it in 30 minutes. Plus the casinos love you when you are depositing and wagering black chips....I got weekly reloads from most of my bigger name casinos.

...all the little fish get banned everywhere within the first few months doing this micro-stakes/risk crap, anyone that says that they bet $2 a hand and have been doing casino bonsues semi-seriously for 2 years is either a liar or using gnome accounts.

I got baned on most of my early casinos betting $2 a hand...(bankroll was low...certainly didnt get reload offers) then when I moved onto bigger stakes suddenly I was never banned again.

I also had several cashout problems at casinos betting $2 a hand.....and only 1 in the several hundred that followed.

If you really want to learn about EV read some of DS's old gambling books....he talks about betting large amounts, sure it effects risk of ruin big time, but I believe it's actually more +EV in the long run....he made a post about it about 6 months or so ago about it here or in the magazine....


BTW americans...Bonuses are dead for us (and if not completely dead...very soon to be)...dont waste your money or time. You can find other ways to make $10 an hour. :P

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[koolsavas]

tch tch. big bets versus little again? op wanted (it seems) to do a hit and run for 1700 for a specific purpose. agreed it's tedious to min-grind bonuses, but to ensure he doesn't lose his initial investment and have to reload, he should grind out a few bonuses until he's freerolling on profit money.

i think it was RoL who suggested a large investment and hitting the GBP250 vc casino bonus, i totally agree, as that will give him a $500 cushion and can work it up to 1700 no problem. op always has the option of returning to the whoring scene after he achieves his original goal and does whatever he's going to do with that 1700, at which point he'll know what stakes to play at to meet his whoring goals. good luck op!

[Bobo Fett]

What do you "high-roller" casino whores think might be a happy medium for those of us that are a little more risk-averse? I have a bankroll of around $5,000 right now. I don't see myself going out there dropping $100 per hand any time soon. What's a good bet size that ramps up the speed (and winrate), avoids some bonus banning, but isn't too crazy for us little fish? I know it depends on the player, the bonus, etc, but I'd love to get some of your general opinions.

[Ray Of Light]

...all the little fish get banned everywhere within the first few months doing this micro-stakes/risk crap, anyone that says that they bet $2 a hand and have been doing casino bonsues semi-seriously for 2 years is either a liar or using gnome accounts.

You want the truth? Well the truth is, I have only been bonus banned from three casinos ever... 888.com, BeTheDealer and Cherry Casino.

You see, betting small isn't what tells a casino that you are a bonus abuser... it is your deposit/withdrawal/game history that they are watching.

Casino's are checking to see if you ONLY deposit with a bonus code, and withdraw as soon as you finish wagering. They are checking to see if you only play games such as blackjack, and never wager on the overwhelmingly negative EV games such as slots or bingo.

That is why cover play is so important... but what do I know... according to you, I am obviously lying...sigh...

I got baned on most of my early casinos betting $2 a hand...(bankroll was low...certainly didnt get reload offers) then when I moved onto bigger stakes suddenly I was never banned again.

That certainly makes sense... I never argued with anyone that betting big wasn't the right way... simply that it wasn't MY way...

If you really want to learn about EV read some of DS's old gambling books....he talks about betting large amounts, sure it effects risk of ruin big time, but I believe it's actually more +EV in the long run....he made a post about it about 6 months or so ago about it here or in the magazine....

So what? ... I gamble online for a living... so risk of ruin is a pretty big hairy deal for me; getting slighty more +EV in the long run is less important to me than being able to making a living from month to month.

BTW americans...Bonuses are dead for us (and if not completely dead...very soon to be)...dont waste your money or time. You can find other ways to make $10 an hour. :P

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... I do agree, casino gambling is difficult for people living in the US right now, but then again... pretty much ALL forms of online gambling are difficult for US citizens to take part in right now...

also, I have to ask, where is this $10 an hour figure coming from?... my hourly rate from casino/poker/sportsbook bonuses is way more than that...

[livinitup0]

...all the little fish get banned everywhere within the first few months doing this micro-stakes/risk crap, anyone that says that they bet $2 a hand and have been doing casino bonsues semi-seriously for 2 years is either a liar or using gnome accounts.

You want the truth? Well the truth is, I have only been bonus banned from three casinos ever... 888.com, BeTheDealer and Cherry Casino.

please address the question about gnome accounts...this seems the only likely answer. I'm just saying there were a lot of us on this bonus forum when it first started....and at BW casino, casino dave..yadda yadda ....I just dont see how you never ran out of bonuses....BJ bonuses were rare 6 months ago if you had already done the huge list of initial signups....I dont see how there are any more of them now. My main reloads were for paigow and 3CP.

You see, betting small isn't what tells a casino that you are a bonus abuser... it is your deposit/withdrawal/game history that they are watching.

Casino's are checking to see if you ONLY deposit with a bonus code, and withdraw as soon as you finish wagering. They are checking to see if you only play games such as blackjack, and never wager on the overwhelmingly negative EV games such as slots or bingo.

This topic again has seen dozens of posts in this forum alone....the casinos go off of what all cainos go off of...hell its the same thing we go off of.... E freakin V, its +ev more in the shortrun for the casino if I bet high, the bonus is negligable compared to my ROR

That is why cover play is so important... but what do I know... according to you, I am obviously lying...sigh...

I was very open with most of my casinos that I was only playing there because of the bonus. I never spent a dollar more than I had to for the bonus. When I won big I wouldnt hear anything from the casino for a while, until I cameback and lost big there....but when I got smacked for a 1-2K loss...you bet I had a weekly reload for at lesat 2 months. Im not per se saying you are lying....im just saying that there were a lot of us BW's when this forum first started that know about most of the bonuses out there....and there have been hundreds of posts on this topic all pointing in the same direction....big bets = more money and EV.

I got baned on most of my early casinos betting $2 a hand...(bankroll was low...certainly didnt get reload offers) then when I moved onto bigger stakes suddenly I was never banned again.

That certainly makes sense... I never argued with anyone that betting big wasn't the right way... simply that it wasn't MY way...

If you really want to learn about EV read some of DS's old gambling books....he talks about betting large amounts, sure it effects risk of ruin big time, but I believe it's actually more +EV in the long run....he made a post about it about 6 months or so ago about it here or in the magazine....

So what? ... I gamble online for a living... so risk of ruin is a pretty big hairy deal for me; getting slighty more +EV in the long run is less important to me than being able to making a living from month to month.

Ummm....this sounds like a serious problem if your bankroll cant support you to make the most +EV decisions when gambling....if you meant this in another way please explain.

BTW americans...Bonuses are dead for us (and if not completely dead...very soon to be)...dont waste your money or time. You can find other ways to make $10 an hour. :P

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... I do agree, casino gambling is difficult for people living in the US right now, but then again... pretty much ALL forms of online gambling are difficult for US citizens to take part in right now...

also, I have to ask, where is this $10 an hour figure coming from?... my hourly rate from casino/poker/sportsbook bonuses is way more than that...
[i]I'm intersted how you include sportsbook in this....doesnt it take all of 30 seconds to place an online bet? Or are you talking about research time?.....also if you are multitabling poker, making sports bets, researching sports bets AND playing blackjack bonuses all at the same time to factor your hourly rate...then yeah...Unless you have like 4 arms im not sure how youd be making more than $10 an hour from blackjack bonuses? /images/graemlins/confused.gif[i]

[livinitup0]

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What do you "high-roller" casino whores think might be a happy medium for those of us that are a little more risk-averse? I have a bankroll of around $5,000 right now. I don't see myself going out there dropping $100 per hand any time soon. What's a good bet size that ramps up the speed (and winrate), avoids some bonus banning, but isn't too crazy for us little fish? I know it depends on the player, the bonus, etc, but I'd love to get some of your general opinions.

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I never bet less than $5 a hand....and that was only if it was a small deposit bonus. Busting sucks...trust me....Ive been there, but I can say that I never had a negative month casino whoring....ever. I made a lot of cash every month and still took some really serious losses at the same time.

Also...I have no idea what casinos are left out there since the preverbial poo has hit the fan for US folk...(I went thorugh about 2 months recently where I got 4-6 account cancellation emails a day from sites I could barely remember!).... but if there are any you can still use an autoclicker on then make your bigger bets on that site. I had 1 or 2 that sent me a tuesday and wednesday bonus up to 1K a piece on like a 4K deposit....easy money. Autoclicking $25 a hand BJ for a few hours while I sleep...lol...license to print money.

You need to build up your roll....eventually you'll hit a big win as you move up in stakes...or maybe hit a huge sticky bonus or two

(why doesnt anyone talk about stickies anymore?? No more GambOOl left in these kiddies??!!)

[Ray Of Light]

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please address the question about gnome accounts...this seems the only likely answer. I'm just saying there were a lot of us on this bonus forum when it first started....and at BW casino, casino dave..yadda yadda ....I just dont see how you never ran out of bonuses....BJ bonuses were rare 6 months ago if you had already done the huge list of initial signups....I dont see how there are any more of them now. My main reloads were for paigow and 3CP.

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Actually, I have mentioned in another recent thread, that I believe (like yourself) that there are definitely much fewer blackjack bonuses. However, I also believe that there are more video poker and 3CP bonuses.

The game of choice for clearing casino bonuses has always been shifting. Some 3-4 years ago the game of choice was no-risk wagering on roulette (I believe)... 1-2 years ago, it was mini-bet blackjack... and now over the past 6 months, it has mostly been video poker (although that is now beginning to change as well).

Also, in answer to your question, yes, there are players that use gnoming accounts. However, from what I have discussed with them, their gnoming accounts haven't come as a result of their original account being closed... but rather from them wanting to get the bonus from that casino multiple times over. Basically, Greed... not Need.


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I was very open with most of my casinos that I was only playing there because of the bonus. I never spent a dollar more than I had to for the bonus. When I won big I wouldnt hear anything from the casino for a while, until I cameback and lost big there....but when I got smacked for a 1-2K loss...you bet I had a weekly reload for at lesat 2 months. Im not per se saying you are lying....im just saying that there were a lot of us BW's when this forum first started that know about most of the bonuses out there....and there have been hundreds of posts on this topic all pointing in the same direction....big bets = more money and EV.

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And I will repeat myself and say, once again, that I do not dispute big betting when chasing for casino bonuses. However, I choose not to do it myself...

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So what? ... I gamble online for a living... so risk of ruin is a pretty big hairy deal for me; getting slighty more +EV in the long run is less important to me than being able to making a living from month to month.

Ummm....this sounds like a serious problem if your bankroll cant support you to make the most +EV decisions when gambling....if you meant this in another way please explain.

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Do not worry, my bankroll can more than support my gambling investments. If I chose to bet big at the casino's, a bad month could see my bankroll reduced by as much 25-30%... that would be a bad hit for sure... but not a devistating one.

However, as I have stated in a previous post in this thread, my bankroll is used first and foremost for poker. I always want to be well bankrolled for the level that I play. And to do that, I cannot afford to put myself in a position whereby a bad month at the casino tables, means that I have to drop down a few poker levels;...

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I'm intersted how you include sportsbook in this....doesnt it take all of 30 seconds to place an online bet? Or are you talking about research time?.....also if you are multitabling poker, making sports bets, researching sports bets AND playing blackjack bonuses all at the same time to factor your hourly rate...then yeah...Unless you have like 4 arms im not sure how youd be making more than $10 an hour from blackjack bonuses?

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I only ever do two things at once. So I play poker and clear a casino bonus... or I clear a sports book bonus whilst playing poker. Of course, I can't do everything at once.

I always reserach the sports books, looking for a sports arbitrage oppurtunity, so that I can take down the sports book bonus, virtually risk free. Somedays, you can find arbs instantly... other days, it takes a bit of searching around.

Mostly its the wagering requirment that takes time... you often need to place 2 or 3 bets, before you can withdraw the sports book bonus.

Also, if you read my first post in this thread... I answer the OP's question by saying that I average £10 an hour from the casino blackjack bonus alone (which, with the current exchange rate, is around $20 per hour). However, I play that one casino table ALONGSIDE a number of poker tables. I do not find that kind of multi-tasking, difficult.

Also, that £10 casino blackjack bonus earn rate is only based upon me playing blackjack (I have a different rate for video poker and 3CP bonuses). However, since the OP seemed to be a BW beginner, I quoted only the numbers for my blackjack return. However I did also mention that he could also make extra lucrative money if he had a look at other types of bonuses as well.

[livinitup0]

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please address the question about gnome accounts...this seems the only likely answer. I'm just saying there were a lot of us on this bonus forum when it first started....and at BW casino, casino dave..yadda yadda ....I just dont see how you never ran out of bonuses....BJ bonuses were rare 6 months ago if you had already done the huge list of initial signups....I dont see how there are any more of them now. My main reloads were for paigow and 3CP.

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Actually, I have mentioned in another recent thread, that I believe (like yourself) that there are definitely much fewer blackjack bonuses. However, I also believe that there are more video poker and 3CP bonuses.

The game of choice for clearing casino bonuses has always been shifting. Some 3-4 years ago the game of choice was no-risk wagering on roulette (I believe)... 1-2 years ago, it was mini-bet blackjack... and now over the past 6 months, it has mostly been video poker (although that is now beginning to change as well).

Also, in answer to your question, yes, there are players that use gnoming accounts. However, from what I have discussed with them, their gnoming accounts haven't come as a result of their original account being closed... but rather from them wanting to get the bonus from that casino multiple times over. Basically, Greed... not Need.


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I was very open with most of my casinos that I was only playing there because of the bonus. I never spent a dollar more than I had to for the bonus. When I won big I wouldnt hear anything from the casino for a while, until I cameback and lost big there....but when I got smacked for a 1-2K loss...you bet I had a weekly reload for at lesat 2 months. Im not per se saying you are lying....im just saying that there were a lot of us BW's when this forum first started that know about most of the bonuses out there....and there have been hundreds of posts on this topic all pointing in the same direction....big bets = more money and EV.

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And I will repeat myself and say, once again, that I do not dispute big betting when chasing for casino bonuses. However, I choose not to do it myself...

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So what? ... I gamble online for a living... so risk of ruin is a pretty big hairy deal for me; getting slighty more +EV in the long run is less important to me than being able to making a living from month to month.

Ummm....this sounds like a serious problem if your bankroll cant support you to make the most +EV decisions when gambling....if you meant this in another way please explain.

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Do not worry, my bankroll can more than support my gambling investments. If I chose to bet big at the casino's, a bad month could see my bankroll reduced by as much 25-30%... that would be a bad hit for sure... but not a devistating one.

However, as I have stated in a previous post in this thread, my bankroll is used first and foremost for poker. I always want to be well bankrolled for the level that I play. And to do that, I cannot afford to put myself in a position whereby a bad month at the casino tables, means that I have to drop down a few poker levels;...

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I'm intersted how you include sportsbook in this....doesnt it take all of 30 seconds to place an online bet? Or are you talking about research time?.....also if you are multitabling poker, making sports bets, researching sports bets AND playing blackjack bonuses all at the same time to factor your hourly rate...then yeah...Unless you have like 4 arms im not sure how youd be making more than $10 an hour from blackjack bonuses?

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I only ever do two things at once. So I play poker and clear a casino bonus... or I clear a sports book bonus whilst playing poker. Of course, I can't do everything at once.

I always reserach the sports books, looking for a sports arbitrage oppurtunity, so that I can take down the sports book bonus, virtually risk free. Somedays, you can find arbs instantly... other days, it takes a bit of searching around.

Mostly its the wagering requirment that takes time... you often need to place 2 or 3 bets, before you can withdraw the sports book bonus.

Also, if you read my first post in this thread... I answer the OP's question by saying that I average £10 an hour from the casino blackjack bonus alone (which, with the current exchange rate, is around $20 per hour). However, I play that one casino table ALONGSIDE a number of poker tables. I do not find that kind of multi-tasking, difficult.

Also, that £10 casino blackjack bonus earn rate is only based upon me playing blackjack (I have a different rate for video poker and 3CP bonuses). However, since the OP seemed to be a BW beginner, I quoted only the numbers for my blackjack return. However I did also mention that he could also make extra lucrative money if he had a look at other types of bonuses as well.

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Cool....keep it up then. Maybe Ill move to the UK.

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Im pretty much doing the same thing as Ray. Started off doing poker in 2005, fully migrated to casinos in October'06 with a dash of poker on the side, now moved onto sportsbook whoring with a dash of casinos on the side and a hint of poker /images/graemlins/laugh.gif. Sportsbook whoring is by far the MOST PROFITABLE, QUICKEST, and RISK-FREE compared to casinos and poker and more importantly, you get to do have fun and do things you never do WITHOUT CONSEQUENCES. It takes me ~5-10 minutes to find an arb and I recently turned a $500 Freeplay bonus into $1750 by winning two 3 team parlays and one 6 team parlays which pays out at a rate of 22.5:1! It's unfortunate that I fooled around too much and split up my FP money into too many bets, cause I could have made $2250-$5000 on my last bet!

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can you answer me a quick question

with sportsbook whoring - do you have to be alert at all times to the possibilities, and therefore have to have the ability to place wagers during the working day?

If not, don't the arbs disappear?

I can only get onto gambling sites from home and so only play between 9pm and midnight --- hence I do Casino bonuses rather than Sportsbook bonuses.

However I am prepared to investigate sportsbook whoring if that would be practical from my limited timeframes availabel for whoring

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can you answer me a quick question

with sportsbook whoring - do you have to be alert at all times to the possibilities, and therefore have to have the ability to place wagers during the working day?

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For me, the best time is 2 hours and less before game time. Anything else before that is a crap shoot. I'm trying to find arbs for a 7:30 NBA game right now and there's not much.
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If not, don't the arbs disappear?


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If it's a really good arb, it would disappear in less than a minute. It's not really a big problem though, just settle for the next arb. The point of arbbing isn't to sit around and wait for positive arbs all the time because sometimes you'll find one and sometimes you won't (more often you won't). Settling for a negative -2 or -3 arb is standard and I wouldn't mind losing a couple bucks here and there to be able to move onto the next bonus faster. Of course when a positive arb presents itself, you should strive to take it.
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I can only get onto gambling sites from home and so only play between 9pm and midnight --- hence I do Casino bonuses rather than Sportsbook bonuses.

However I am prepared to investigate sportsbook whoring if that would be practical from my limited timeframes availabel for whoring

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Most games are done or in progress at 9pm. You might be able to bet on the 10pm NBA games but you are severely limiting your options if you do that.

[Thremp]

mtx is mostly right if a bit noobish.

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mtx is mostly right if a bit noobish.

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lol ya i just started doing this 2 weeks ago, still getting the hang of it

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The usual bonus is about $100-$300.

I'd imagine you'd bust almost every time, no?

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Generally bust 4 out of 5, yes.

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mtx is mostly right if a bit noobish.

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lol ya i just started doing this 2 weeks ago, still getting the hang of it

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You'll get the hang of it.

Note: Most arbs have a lifespan in seconds... not minutes /images/graemlins/tongue.gif