GG Stars?

[JayA]

I hear a rumor from a friend who posts on P5's that PokerStars may pull out of the U.S. market in the next week. Here's a link...

http://www.pocketfives.com/48120CA5-1A05-4C66-99B2-6D8D36B9E6ED.aspx

Idk how true it is as you can see Neverwin says jee1's sources aren't as reliable as some.

http://www.pocketfives.com/53B7FFA9-06DC-4282-9486-1E8F0E545CCB.aspx

Is this just another panic? Or do you see truth in these? Have any of you heard anything? Just tryin to get some things clear. Thoughts/bashes welcomed.

[grizy]

for the love of God and all things good and holy, NO. Please, no

[okterrific]

Im really enjoying living in the land of the free these days.

This country is getting more and more embarrassing with each passing day.

[adanthar]

omg a high stakes player playing with another high stakes player was heard to say "a poker site is leaving the US"

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[okterrific]

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omg a high stakes player playing with another high stakes player was heard to say "a poker site is leaving the US"

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You are right but lately is does seem like this is going to happen sooner or later. Right now some sites have left and other sites its becoming a pain in the ass to get money in and out. It just seems like its only going to get worse.

[Zele]

The fact that the DoJ is still pursuing Dikshit seems to spoil the primary motivation for sites pulling out. In fact, no longer having a US operation might simply lessen their leverage in a hypothetical future plea bargain if they ever did get caught.

[joeker]

I am trying to be optimistic, but have a bad feeling.

And these rumors about new payment processors and methods, I just dont see it.

Fact is we all failed....I know very few poker players that took the effort to fight what is going on now. I know many here did, I'm talking in general.

It looks like the US Government is going to win on this one.

[vinyard]

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The fact that the DoJ is still pursuing Dikshit seems to spoil the primary motivation for sites pulling out. In fact, no longer having a US operation might simply lessen their leverage in a hypothetical future plea bargain if they ever did get caught.

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The sky is falling very clearly.

[Darque Nuts]

I just started playing at PS in October (after moving from Party). I had kept a small balance at Stars (because of all the turmoil) and lost it last weekend. Woe is me, what to do next?

I have a bit of cash left at Neteller and will probably wait and see. What are you guys gonna do?

[Josh.]

PLEASE don't make titles like this when the source is bs and unsubstantiated. they are going to give me a heart attack

[joeker]

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PLEASE don't make titles like this when the source is bs and unsubstantiated. they are going to give me a heart attack

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Better fire up the defibulator

[LeapFrog]

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PLEASE don't make titles like this when the source is bs and unsubstantiated. they are going to give me a heart attack

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QFMFT -- How hard is it to come up with a title such as 'Rumor about Stars' or whatever. Your thread is still going to get hits but when we all get together for the annual 2+2 picnic and bear-baiting extravaganza, you won't...

[jimmytrick]

What would be the point of a Stars pullout now? That is retarded. They have already done enough to be indicted. Do you guys think that the you can avoid prosecution for commiting murder by simply sinning no more?

The fats in the fire and it would be moronic for them to toss off their cash flow just when they may need it to defend themselves.

Just to make it clear, sites who pulled out of the US market in the wake of the port of doom bill will not escape prosecution by that act.

No reason at all for Stars to pull out of the market whatsoever.

[joeker]

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What would be the point of a Stars pullout now? That is retarded. They have already done enough to be indicted. Do you guys think that the you can avoid prosecution for commiting murder by simply sinning no more?

The fats in the fire and it would be moronic for them to toss off their cash flow just when they may need it to defend themselves.

Just to make it clear, sites who pulled out of the US market in the wake of the port of doom bill will not escape prosecution by that act.

No reason at all for Stars to pull out of the market whatsoever.

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This is true....even Party isn't immune and they made a good faith effort to follow the law. The flip side is if Americans can't deposit (or it's too difficult) and the DOJ pressure is too strong they might mitigate their losses and pullout anyways.

[JayA]

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PLEASE don't make titles like this when the source is bs and unsubstantiated. they are going to give me a heart attack

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QFMFT -- How hard is it to come up with a title such as 'Rumor about Stars' or whatever. Your thread is still going to get hits but when we all get together for the annual 2+2 picnic and bear-baiting extravaganza, you won't...

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I thought the question mark would have covered this. If it didn't to you, I apoligize. Change the title if you wish. Back to the topic...

[LeapFrog]

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PLEASE don't make titles like this when the source is bs and unsubstantiated. they are going to give me a heart attack

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QFMFT -- How hard is it to come up with a title such as 'Rumor about Stars' or whatever. Your thread is still going to get hits but when we all get together for the annual 2+2 picnic and bear-baiting extravaganza, you won't...

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I thought the question mark would have covered this. If it didn't to you, I apoligize. Change the title if you wish. Back to the topic...

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Look, your subject isn't ban worthy like some of the seriously retarded ones in the ZOO (Pokerstars are expect to EXIST THE U.S. MARKET) but people are a little freaked right now and it wouldn't hurt to err on the side of caution. Also I can't change your title as my greatness has for some reason gone overlooked and I am not yet a mod.

[JayA]

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PLEASE don't make titles like this when the source is bs and unsubstantiated. they are going to give me a heart attack

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QFMFT -- How hard is it to come up with a title such as 'Rumor about Stars' or whatever. Your thread is still going to get hits but when we all get together for the annual 2+2 picnic and bear-baiting extravaganza, you won't...

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I thought the question mark would have covered this. If it didn't to you, I apoligize. Change the title if you wish. Back to the topic...

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Look, your subject isn't ban worthy like some of the seriously retarded ones in the ZOO (Pokerstars are expect to EXIST THE U.S. MARKET) but people are a little freaked right now and it wouldn't hurt to err on the side of caution. Also I can't change your title as my greatness has for some reason gone overlooked and I am not yet a mod.

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Heh heh..my apoligies for the scary title.

[Yakuman]

Stars' ownership is in Israel, which does not extradite. Nuff said.

why is the title such a big deal? so you're worried for 2 seconds, click on the link and move on..it's not like stars leaving is going to come as a total shock anyways

[ericicecream]

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omg a high stakes player playing with another high stakes player was heard to say "a poker site is leaving the US"

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You are right but lately is does seem like this is going to happen sooner or later. Right now some sites have left and other sites its becoming a pain in the ass to get money in and out. It just seems like its only going to get worse.

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These sites you speak of left in October. October was the pull-out month for sites. Stars decided to stay.

January has been pull-out month for payment processors. Stars pulled their in-house payment processer (e-checks)

[Darque Nuts]

I don't think that an apology is necessary. The "?" says it all and considering the circumstance, I think that a lot of caution is in order.

For example, in October Neteller said that it was going to stay in the US market. Yes we all applauded and said "What Balls" they have. BUT, they did a 180 last week due to changing circumstances. I made a request for a check a day after their announcement and it was approved at that time. I re-check the status of my request tonight and it was changed to "PENDING". I called up Neteller and Janet stated that my check will be pending for 4-6 weeks due to the tremendous volume of withdrawal requests. Boys, we/they are in "DEEP CACA". Anyways thanks to JayA for making me take a step back to re-evaluate this online poker hobby.

[PrayingMantis]

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Stars' ownership is in Israel

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No it's not. It's amazing how much wrong information one can find on these boards.

[JayA]

Np Dargue Nuts.

I thought it was weird myself when I read Stars ownership in Israel...

[init2winit]

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Stars' ownership is in Israel

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No it's not. It's amazing how much wrong information one can find on these boards.

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its not in israel, but its an israeli family.

[PrayingMantis]

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its not in israel, but its an israeli family.

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Confusing the fact that the owners are Israelis, with the false idea that the company is based in Israel, is a pretty huge mistake.

[ZBTHorton]

The owners either live in A) Canada B) Isle of Mann or C) Costa Rica. Depending on who your talking about.

As most of you know, I knew all the inside information when Stars stayed, and I haven't heard a single word from anyone I know saying that they will leave.

[Rigel]

Stars leaving would not be a big surprise at all- the new poker reality simply does not support the same number of sites catering to Americans as before. And Stars is the obvious candidate to leave because they have plenty of European/Asian players and don't have as defiant a corporate culture as some others. I can see them wanting to go public.

But if Stars pulls out, then suddenly there will be thousands of American poker players looking for a new place to spend there money. Many of them will just give up, but many others will accept having to send money orders by mail or whatever it is we'll have to do. Many of them will accept a higher rake- we'd have to pay higher rake in the casino anyway.

So the bottom line is the remaining casinos will be able to up the rake to account for the increased costs. Online poker is going to get worse- we all know that- but I don't see it going away.

[Yakuman]

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Stars' ownership is in Israel

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No it's not. It's amazing how much wrong information one can find on these boards.

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its not in israel, but its an israeli family.

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Like I said, the ownership is in israel.

[PrayingMantis]

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Like I said, the ownership is in israel.

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You are 100% wrong, why is it so hard to understand? This is getting stupid.

[joeker]

Israel has some pretty tough laws against gambling, so even if the majority owners are Israeli there's no way Poker Stars is based in Israel.

[WorstNLPlyr]

Stars will give a notice just as Party has given.

[Yakuman]

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Like I said, the ownership is in israel.

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You are 100% wrong, why is it so hard to understand? This is getting stupid.

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Well, stop claiming that a clear fact is "100% wrong" and "stupid." What is Isai Scheinberg, chopped liver? Have you ever even heard of him?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2095-2136074,00.html

[PrayingMantis]

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Well, stop claiming that a clear fact is "100% wrong" and "stupid." What is Isai Scheinberg, chopped liver? Have you ever even heard of him?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2095-2136074,00.html

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He is an Israeli, of course. However, Pokerstars is NOT an israeli company. Do you want me to repeat it couple of more times? 5 or 6 more times maybe?

[Yakuman]

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[Isai Scheinberg] is an Israeli, of course. However, Pokerstars is NOT an israeli company.

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I said "the ownership is in israel." I didn't say "Pokerstars is an israeli company."

[JOHNY CA$H]

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its not in israel, but its an israeli family.

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Confusing the fact that the owners are Israelis, with the false idea that the company is based in Israel, is a pretty huge mistake.

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He's not saying the company is based in Israel, he's saying the owner lives there. Why can't you see that?

[Megenoita]

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PLEASE don't make titles like this when the source is bs and unsubstantiated. they are going to give me a heart attack

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[Megenoita]

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The owners either live in A) Canada B) Isle of Mann or C) Costa Rica. Depending on who your talking about.

As most of you know, I knew all the inside information when Stars stayed, and I haven't heard a single word from anyone I know saying that they will leave.

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Everybody should breathe, and meditate upon this.

From everything I've read, there isn't a strong chance that the U.S. government can attack the actual sites that are based overseas. That's why they're attacking everything else that they can...bank investors, people involved who step on U.S. soil, etc. If there remains 1-2 resilient sites such as FTP and WPEX, we'll be fine. And if the U.S. goes so far as to really scare off all sites via threatening extradition, then the D.O.J. did a job well done, and we'll probably see Harrah's Online Poker Room in the next 3-5 years.

Until then, I'm going to play professional basketball overseas in a country that has online poker /images/graemlins/smile.gif.

[PrayingMantis]

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I said "the ownership is in israel." I didn't say "Pokerstars is an israeli company."

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He's not saying the company is based in Israel, he's saying the owner lives there. Why can't you see that?

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For the 6th time or so: THE OWNERSHIP IS NOT IN ISRAEL.

And also, the owners do not live in Israel.

This is becoming sad.

[Yakuman]

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THE OWNERSHIP IS NOT IN ISRAEL. And also, the owners do not live in Israel.

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Scheinberg lives in Canada, but he is everywhere listed as Israeli, including by you. His business partner, Pinchas Shapira, hails from Tel Aviv. Ownership in Israel.

[PrayingMantis]

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Scheinberg lives in Canada, but he is everywhere listed as Israeli, including by you. His business partner, Pinchas Shapira, hails from Tel Aviv. Ownership in Israel.

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I hate to say it, really, but if you still insist that "ownership in Israel", then you are an idiot. PS is not an Israeli company, and none of the owners live in Israel.

[ZBTHorton]

Isai does not live in Israel. Anyone who knows anything about Stars, or any employee of Stars can verify this. So stop talking about it.

[PrayingMantis]

Also, yakuman, when you said somewhere above that "Stars' ownership is in Israel, which does not extradite", you were wrong about the extradition from israel point as well, which makes it a two-fold wrong statement. Please stop sharing your knowledge.

[Jack Bando]

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I don't think that an apology is necessary. The "?" says it all and considering the circumstance, I think that a lot of caution is in order.

For example, in October Neteller said that it was going to stay in the US market. Yes we all applauded and said "What Balls" they have. BUT, they did a 180 last week due to changing circumstances. I made a request for a check a day after their announcement and it was approved at that time. I re-check the status of my request tonight and it was changed to "PENDING". I called up Neteller and Janet stated that my check will be pending for 4-6 weeks due to the tremendous volume of withdrawal requests. Boys, we/they are in "DEEP CACA". Anyways thanks to JayA for making me take a step back to re-evaluate this online poker hobby.

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What? Neteller said in October they would comply with the US law.

[gonebroke2]

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Also, yakuman, when you said somewhere above that "Stars' ownership is in Israel, which does not extradite", you were wrong about the extradition from israel point as well, which makes it a two-fold wrong statement. Please stop sharing your knowledge.

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Israel does not extradite their citizens. Why do you think several of the crooked CEO's who are guilty of backdating options are taking their cash and moving back to Israel.

[PrayingMantis]

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Israel does not extradite their citizens. Why do you think several of the crooked CEO's who are guilty of backdating options are taking their cash and moving back to Israel.

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You don't know what you are talking about, which is not surprising for this thread:

A) Israel has just recently extradited an Israeli citizen to the US (Zeev Rosenstein).

B) The Crooked CEO you are talking about didn't go back to Israel for this very reason. He escaped to Namibia (Kobi Alexander).

[Zele]

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On April 19, 1999, the Israeli parliament enacted the Extradition Act (Amendment No. 6), which, for the first time since 1978, permitted the extradition of Israeli nationals who had committed crimes abroad.

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ref (http://www.questia.com/PM.qst?a=o&d=5000714700&er=deny)

[JayA]

Didn't know I said anything about Israel in the title...

Back to the subject at hand plz.

[firstyearclay]

Why the [censored] hasnt a mod deleted this thread? Its linked to another forum and is all heresay....

Isn't this just another lame attempt at another forum gaining advertising space from this forum?

[JayA]

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Why the [censored] hasnt a mod deleted this thread? Its linked to another forum and is all heresay....

Isn't this just another lame attempt at another forum gaining advertising space from this forum?

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Bein as that I don't even post on P5 and that a friend had to send me a link...I don't think it's advertising...

Delete if you wish. I apoligize for trying to start a conversation about a possible rumor that could be true.