50NL 6 max - push with mid-set on drawy board?

[Lumpr]

Was my push on the turn a poor move?

I was playing a ton of pots, and if anyone was paying attention they should have put on a LAG read. My read on Villian was pretty much TAG but with a tendency to SuperAGG. What I mean is, his starting hand range was pretty small, and he'd bet aggressive, but he seemed to make risky calls and raises against strength and scary boards. As back ground, about 50 hands prior I got him all-in (stacks of approximatley $50 each) preflop when I had AA and he had QQ (this may have scewed my read). All this fuzzy read stuff probably isn't helping (I don't have pokertracker . . . I know I need to get it).

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button (Villian)($58)
SB ($25.55)
BB ($137.05)
UTG ($7.35)
Hero ($67.10)
CO ($50)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif.
UTG calls $0.50, <font color="blue">Hero raises to $2</font>, 1 fold, Villian calls $2, 2 folds, UTG calls $1.50.

Flop: ($6.75) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, <font color="blue">Hero bets $3</font>, <font color="red"> Villian raises to $12</font>, UTG folds, Hero calls $9.

Turn: ($30.75) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif(2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">Villian bets $19</font>, <font color="blue">Hero raises to $53.1</font>, Villian calls $25 (All-In).

Final Pot: $127.85

Here is my analysis:

1) I don't like my pre-flop bet, but the table was extremely weak and I wanted action;

2) Flop bet, in retrospec I hate this bet, I'm trying to figure out where I am in the hand and this bet really didn't help me define that;

3) Calling the flop reraise, this is where I'm probably completely full of nonsense, but this makes me think my hand is good. Reasoning: KK he reraises pre-flop and right here I'm putting the chance Villian has JT at about 20%, his starting range seemed tighter than that (one big problem with my reasoning, I cann't figure out what the other 80% of his possible hands are);

4) Pushing on the turn - complete spew ??? am i just looking for ways to give away money ???

Greatly appreciate your thoughts!

[Low_Card2]

Welcome to the forums! raise to $2.5 preflop (4BB+1limper). As you said, flop bet is way to small. There are tons of draws here. Bet $5 on flop and when he raises, it will make it about $20.

The smooth call is not really that bad, because there is no flushdraw out there, it probably means hes not semibluffing with a combo draw. Hes not raising you with a gutshot (unless hes a total donk) , so he either has TJ, two pair, or a lower set (KK is not probable) 99 is possible. Since you have a LAGGY image, ask yourself if you think he will get it all in with you on the flop. If he has KQ K9 Q9 or 99 he will probably get it all in. The trouble with smoothcalling is if a T or J comes of (like it did) and you checkraise all in he might fold his set/2pair.

Since smoothcalling is dangerous, I get it all in on flop if i think he has strong enough hand to call me with. If he has TJ (like he probably did since you posted the hand) tough luck.

[freedom18]

i rather get it all in on the flop, once u get raised like that that is usually the case, (putting him on KQ) etc AK even

[Lumpr]

Thanks guys, this what I'm looking for. Anyone else have some insight/instruction they want to share?

I'll post the results after a bit if anyone is curious.

[Rollos]

If the table has been tight, then a $2 raise is fine. 3-bet the flop. On the turn your hand is probably good, I see villian with two pair here.

[Shaddux]

I bet more on the flop and 3bet when he raises.

[Lumpr]

Thanks for the input guys.

FWIW - he had 99

I think I pushed one street too late.

[Da GOAT]

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Welcome to the forums! raise to $2.5 preflop (4BB+1limper). As you said, flop bet is way to small. There are tons of draws here. Bet $5 on flop and when he raises, it will make it about $20.

The smooth call is not really that bad, because there is no flushdraw out there, it probably means hes not semibluffing with a combo draw. Hes not raising you with a gutshot (unless hes a total donk) , so he either has TJ, two pair, or a lower set (KK is not probable) 99 is possible. Since you have a LAGGY image, ask yourself if you think he will get it all in with you on the flop. If he has KQ K9 Q9 or 99 he will probably get it all in. The trouble with smoothcalling is if a T or J comes of (like it did) and you checkraise all in he might fold his set/2pair.

Since smoothcalling is dangerous, I get it all in on flop if i think he has strong enough hand to call me with. If he has TJ (like he probably did since you posted the hand) tough luck.

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nh

[Reckless Rick]

you should bet more pre-flop; 2,5 - 3$ seems to be a good ammount in my opinion. On the flop your bet was too low. If you want to define your hand a bet of the size of the pot is probably the best way to do this. Once you are being raised on the flop it is best to move in immediately on the flop. There are only two hands that beat you at that moment, namely KK and JT. Based on the preflop action KK is somehow unlikely (you said he is aggressive so he would have raised KK preflop instead of just calling most of the times). JTs or JTo might be a remote possibility but if he is a thinking player he must realize that UTG is short stacked and probably moving all-in preflop after your raise. So I think that he is folding JT preflop in this situation (although not always).

He is willing to raise you on that flop; most of the times you have the better hand so put the money in on the flop. A lot of cards that can come up on the turn might kill the action.

A bigger bet from you on the flop (~5$) would probably cause a bigger raise from villian (~15-20$) which then would make it easier for you to move in on the flop immediately with a far greater chance of being called.

[Imrahil]

I didn't read anything you said but raise to $2.50 PF and push over villains raise on the flop.

[subzero]

Preflop bet is fine. Flop bet is fine if you think it will induce a raise. I would've 3-bet him at that point. Get it in on the flop.