Now lets play: NAME THAAAT LIIINE! Nl25

[MegalomaniaMan]

No reads on specific villain.
given how he played the hand, what does every body do on turn?
i will post river action later.

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CO ($6.80)
Hero ($25)
SB ($22.90)
BB ($19.55)
UTG ($24.05)
MP ($9.40)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, SB calls $0.90, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($2.25) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $1</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $3</font>, SB calls $2.

Turn: ($8.25) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $2</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero ?? </font>
whats your action and why?

[mosuavea]

Its called I am on a flush draw let me draw at my own price please

I raise to 4 on the flop, 8-10ish on the turn.

[Unknown Soldier]

call, hes obviously not folding, and you won't know where you're at

this bet can mean anything, just keep the pot small.

[onoble]

10 or JJ?

[orange]

10 on the turn. i raise flop a bit harder too. i dont mind playing for stacks.

[rael]

I would probably raise the turn to 8-ish, and probably puss out and fold if re-reraised.

Then I would check behind if checked to on the river. I don't know how I would respond to a river bet. I defintiely wouldn't raise the river again, but calling or folding would depend on whether the flush comes and how much he bets (and how frisky I'm feeling).

As the first responder said, this looks an awful lot like villian is trying to keep it cheap for his draw.

[kurto]

he's in a draw and wants it cheap.

I charge him.

If I was wrong I would take notes on the player.

[HoldEmNewby]

He's either drawing or we're way behind. I don't like checking here because the board is also straightening and we are vulnerable to overcards; but I don't want to raise so much that he doesn't call. These type of villains are usually easy to get a read on so I'm not willing to shut them out of the pot just yet. If he raises you on the turn you know you're dog meat. If he just calls then his river betting or checking will give away his hand strength.

I raise to 8 on the turn.

[MadMike]

I'd raise the turn to about 9.
Smells like he's trying to set his price for either a draw or to get to showdown 'cheap' with 88,TT,JJ.

If he pushes over the top of your turn raise it makes it awkward because his range still includes overplayed TT,JJ, maybe a stupidly slowplayed AA,KK, a strangely played draw/combodraw, or a set.

So is the line bet-fold to a push or bet-call on the turn?
If we bet 9 and are called, do we call a river push if it bricks?

I'm thinking bet-fold to AI or AI on river might be best, but I'd like to hear other opinions.

[silly_monkey]

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call, hes obviously not folding, and you won't know where you're at

this bet can mean anything, just keep the pot small.

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[carnivalhobo]

calling here is really bad.

an overpair on a drawy board is not a time for pot control at 25nl.

[Mjafish]

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Its called I am on a flush draw let me draw at my own price please

I raise to 4 on the flop, 8-10ish on the turn.

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raise that [censored] up

[BoozeHound]

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call, hes obviously not folding, and you won't know where you're at

this bet can mean anything, just keep the pot small.

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You'll let every donkey villain play their draws profitably if you do this. If you were to bet into this pot (given the wet board and if it had checked to you) what would you bet? That small bet should be treated more like a check than a bet, now charge him for his draw. It might mean "anything", but usually is just a draw.

However, villain's bet needs to be factored into your bet size to make sure you price them out.

[keikiwai]

raise pot to $5.25 minimum (pot) on the flop

push turn

i could've thought of better turn cards, but your still ahead of a big part of his range

your hands got mad value against what is often still a draw or weak made hand on the turn

[BoozeHound]

also, realize that "hes obviously not folding" = profit

[MegalomaniaMan]

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CO ($6.80)
Hero ($25)
SB ($22.90)
BB ($19.55)
UTG ($24.05)
MP ($9.40)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, SB calls $0.90, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($2.25) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $1</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $3</font>, SB calls $2.

Turn: ($8.25) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $2</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $5.75</font>, SB calls $3.75.

River: ($19.75) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $13.15 (All-In)</font>, Hero ??


So i have raised less than i should have it, appears, (i gave him very nice odds to call, with any piece).
now all the obvious draws miss, but an over card comes and he pushes.
what does everybody do, what is his range, and why do you think this.
btw, thanks for all the responses.

[rael]

That river sucks. I would probably call getting better than 2-1. I call because I had him on a draw the whole time and I don't want to get scared by a single overcard. I think this is a tough situation though, so I'd like to hear what others think.

I would probably expect to see either a set or a busted flush draw. If the K helped him I don't know why he would push. But who knows people do all sorts of weird stuff in these games.

[keikiwai]

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If the K helped him I don't know why he would push. But who knows people do all sorts of weird stuff in these games.

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if the K helped him of course he's going to push, why should he think you'll bet if he checks when a scary overcard falls?.... he pushes, you get good odds, you call w/ a wide range, and he pwns you with K/images/graemlins/club.gif x/images/graemlins/club.gif

[tannenj]

your turn play is ridiculous.

i'd probably call the river because his line is [censored] ridiculous.