All in with nut flush draw vs monster hand

[houm]

Hi everyone,

I've been reading this forum for quite a while, and this is my very first topic.

I'd like to have your feedback about this hand and the move I made on the flop.

Thanks a lot !

Here's the hand :

Full Tilt Poker Game #1569982856: Table Oso Blanca - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 6:45:44 ET - 2007/01/10
Seat 1: adamsapple19 ($27.50), is sitting out
Seat 2: juggalo41729 ($21.30)
Seat 3: houm ($39.20
Seat 4: z26745507 ($0), is sitting out
Seat 5: playanytwocards ($74.35)
Seat 6: boolka ($24.70)
Seat 7: CNote72 ($37.70)
Seat 8: BoZZco ($31.20)
Seat 9: lurkingfury ($45.60)
lurkingfury posts the small blind of $0.10
juggalo41729 posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #8

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to houm [Ac Kc]
playanytwocards: youre a spastic cnote
houm raises to $0.80
playanytwocards raises to $1.35
boolka folds
CNote72 folds
z26745507 stands up
BoZZco folds
lurkingfury folds
CNote72: what?
juggalo41729 folds
houm calls $0.55

*** FLOP *** [7c 8c Th] Pot :$3.05
houm bets $2</font>
playanytwocards raises to $9.05
houm raises to $37.85, and is all in
playanytwocards calls $28.80
houm shows [Ac Kc]
playanytwocards shows [Td Ts]

*** TURN *** [7c 8c Th] [Kd]
*** RIVER *** [7c 8c Th :Kd] [Qc]
houm shows a flush, Ace high
playanytwocards shows three of a kind, Tens
houm wins the pot ($75.75) with a flush, Ace high

By the way, if someone can tell me how to insert spades, hearts, diamonds and clubs signs next to mey cards, it will be great since more comfortable for all of you to read the hand.

[bluffmenot]

Well, you got lucky with deep stacks. Shouldn't have made that bluff raise when the villain is showing that much strength.

[holyfield5]

i would have folded the flop but maybe im a nit.....depends on if i thought my A and K were live outs or not.

[houm]

Thank you for your 1st answers.

Let me tell you my point of view.

I have the nut flush draw.
I'm ahead if he's holding QQ, JJ
I'm a light underdog if he's holding KK
I don't put him on Aces due to his minireraise preflop which I find to be awful.
He can also have a set (and he has), which could be my only trouble.

I gamble, for sure, but this move seems to me being ev+++, not only for the money I can take from him, but concerning my image at the table.

And that was what happened : after this hand, every single bet I made has been respected, and no one at the table tried to bluff me.

This move allowed me to win further big pot, either by bluffing, reraising, or by stealing pots with junk cards.

I've not much FE there, but my main concern is to double up my stack, so...

Does my speech seems ok for you or nonsense ?

To finish, sure I gambled, but :

- I had nut flush draw, and not only 2 outs
- I was HU and not in a multiway
- He was deepstack, so very interesting.

[jgbucks]

This is an interesting hand. Many times I read that people are looking to get it all in post flop with the nut flush draw and two overs.

With this board, what would he min-raise with preflop and then re-raise with on the flop. He has the big stack, so I would assume he isn't terrible. He may have a set, maybe JJ-AA. Maybe 99. That's about it - unless you have a good read otherwise.

Running the numbers AKs vs 99+ in this spot, AKs would win 47% of the time. (taking 99 out doesn't change the odds much) Will he fold 99, JJ, QQ enough to turn this into a winner? It is a high variance move either way.

As you pointed out, it will surely change your immediate table image. (Not sure how much that matters most of the time at this level)

For me it is probably a fold when I think about it, but at the table, its hard to fold the nut flush draw in that situation. I'm normally very tight and have been working on playing draws like this more aggressively, which is why this question interested me so much. I'm also new here, so any corrections to my thinking are welcomed.

[Antinome]

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
8 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Stack sizes:
Hero: $39.20
UTG+1: $0
MP1: $74.35
MP2: $24.70
CO: $37.70
Button: $31.20
SB: $45.60
BB: $21.30

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is UTG with A/images/graemlins/club.gif K/images/graemlins/club.gif
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $0.8</font>, <font color="#cc0000">MP1 raises to $1.35</font>, 5 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 7/images/graemlins/club.gif 8/images/graemlins/club.gif T/images/graemlins/heart.gif ($3.05, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $2</font>, <font color="#cc0000">MP1 raises to $9.05</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises all-in $37.85</font>

Notice how I omit irrelevant actions and streets.

This is a pretty bold move, but given that he's probably on 99+ I like it. (the chance of AA,KK is greatly reduced by our holding one A and one K)

[keikiwai]

op post your hand history here and hit "convert":

http://www.legopoker.com/hh/

do not show results or action after your all-in, as it biases the responses



it'll look like:

Full Tilt Poker
$0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Ring Game
6 Players
LegoPoker Hand Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh)

<font color="black">Stack Sizes</font>
BB: $21.05
UTG+1: $74.35
MP1: $24.70
MP2: $37.70
CO: $31.20
SB: $45.5

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Ahttp://legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif Khttp://legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif ($0.35, 6 players)
<font color="red">houm raises to $0.80</font>, <font color="red">UTG+1 raises to $1.35</font>, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO folds, SB folds, BB folds, houm calls $0.55

<font color="black">Flop:</font> 7http://legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif 8http://legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif T/images/graemlins/heart.gif ($3.05, 1 players)
<font color="red">houm bets $2</font>, <font color="red">UTG+1 raises to $9.05</font>, <font color="red">houm raises all in to $37.85</font>

The neidelwurst converter (Antinome's post) is v. slow and often down.... this one was made by 2p2's very own Tickner... so obv. much better!

[Quester]

Play looks fine, however I 3-bet preflop. When he raises to $1.35, re-raise him to $6 or so. You're both fairly deep and you have a monster here. Build a big pot with it.

[houm]

Well, thanks a lot for your answers (and for the help about the converter !).

This is a move I like to do when I have any Axs over a xs xs x flop, when I get reraised.

50% of time, the opponent folds ; when he calls, it can be with all kind of hands (set, overpair, str8 draw, DP, also TP only), and well...this move is pretty intersting, especially when you flop TP in addition of your nut flush draw...



I've just played that hand, same betting pattern :

Full Tilt Poker
$0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Ring Game
9 Players
LegoPoker Hand Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh)

<font color="black">Stack Sizes</font>
Hero (UTG): $24.75
UTG+1: $11.25
MP1: $49.10
MP2: $24.30
MP3: $28.45
CO: $10
BTN: $22.85
SB: $30.85
BB: $6.75

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($0.35, 9 players)
Hero calls $0.25, UTG+1 calls $0.25, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $0.50</font>, BTN folds, SB calls $0.40, BB calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, UTG+1 calls $0.25

<font color="black">Flop:</font> 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 7/images/graemlins/club.gif Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ($2.5, 5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $1</font>, UTG+1 folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $4.75</font>, SB folds, BB folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $10</font>, CO calls all in for $4.75
Uncalled bet of $0.50 returned to Hero

<font color="black">Turn:</font> 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 7/images/graemlins/club.gif Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif [4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif] ($22.5, 2 players)
No action

<font color="black">River:</font> 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 7/images/graemlins/club.gif Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif [K/images/graemlins/spade.gif] ($22.5, 2 players)
No action